The movie clip on that page is 95% the guy reading his poster, but the final 5% are interesting: nope, it's not the camera phones alone. Camera phones will eat into P&S sales, but shouldn't much affect DSLR sales, yet DSLRs were down by a whopping 19% last year.Digital is hurting because of camera phones which already produce results far better in far worse light than consumer cameras of my youth like the 126 Instamatic and (ugh) 110s. They are more than good enough for most people. It's not that fewer photos are taken as there are almost certainly more taken than ever before. It's just that most people don't need a single purpose camera to take the kind of photos they want anymore.
The movie clip on that page is 95% the guy reading his poster, but the final 5% are interesting: nope, it's not the camera phones alone. Camera phones will eat into P&S sales, but shouldn't much affect DSLR sales, yet DSLRs were down by a whopping 19% last year.
Again, I think it's a matter of complaicency on the part of the manufacturers.
I notice that more and more people become interested in photography because they have started taking photos with their phones. They want a real camera to take better pictures.
But for many people the learning curve from instagraming snapshots with presets, to editing raw files in Lightroom is too great. I've had to help quite a lot of people undrstand the workflow. Unfortunately, many of them think it's too much work.
That's one of the problems with analogue film today. Apart from a few pro labs, it'll take a couple of weeks to have a film developed. And the scans are usually very poor. Most people are not interested in investing time and money into developing or scanning at home.
I think the manufacturers really should take some steps to make life easier for the transition customers.
Efke also suffered from a peculiar catch 22 in not selling enough to keep repairs up or manage good QC and bad QC severely impacted their sales, at least to judge from what I read here and on LFPF.
Again, I think it's a matter of complaicency on the part of the manufacturers.
I notice that more and more people become interested in photography because they have started taking photos with their phones. They want a real camera to take better pictures.
for many people the learning curve from instagraming snapshots with presets, to editing raw files in Lightroom is too great. I've had to help quite a lot of people undrstand the workflow. Unfortunately, many of them think it's too much work.
That's one of the problems with analogue film today. Apart from a few pro labs, it'll take a couple of weeks to have a film developed. And the scans are usually very poor. Most people are not interested in investing time and money into developing or scanning at home.
I think the manufacturers really should take some steps to make life easier for the transition customers.
If someone can come up with correctly priced product which offers development, scan and internet upload, a lot more of the Instagram generation people would pick it up. But none of the current manufacturers is even aware of sites like Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. Not to mention how to integrate their services with them.
Drop of your film and few hours later it's on Facebook or Flickr. It can't be that hard!
I'm not sure who you mean be pros but the pros I know have heard of APUG and few even have a presence here (albeit extremely limited). Also, I wouldn't want it to be called "filmphotography" because that invites all the hybrid people who inexplicably shoot film and then scan it for digital printing, to incessantly post questions about scanning.
And now to the important part of my post:
PKM showing his little Portofolio is the only way to help film it's probably not the images that work but PKM's enthusiasm that draws people in and makes them try film. We should go out and show our enthusiasm to the world film is great film is magic, film is different and cool.
I find I promote film use the best when I am not on the internet but out shooting, carrying my little 5x7 folio of hand made prints. APUG is not what gets people looking at choosing film again, it is where they go once they decide to explore it, if they can even find the site, usually by word of mouth.
This site and especially the photos that reside on it are largely invisible to most of the world and I think that PE's citation of metrics is probably correct. Those who become re-engaged in the craft of using film usually have done so because they were inspired by something or someone, like an NYT Lens blog article, a showing of fine prints, seeing someone under the dark cloth or seeing better than usual work on flickr.
There are some spectacular images being made on the last three iterations of iPhones and like it or not, if they were printed to 16x20, their sheer impact would far outdistance a lot of the work being shown on this site. So this is what the reality is, the smartphone has readily taken the place of the SLR, compact or point and shoot as the cash cow of memories and you can be an old washed up codger all you want and say that they will lose their memories but that will not change what has happened or what will continue to happen to the availability and price of film.
Film use is super-niche and the market is still adjusting to that, never to be a super-market item ever again. So instead of bitching, maybe get some real prints into someone's hands for them to look at when you are out shooting....and no, sorry, not computer prints born of scans, they will not convince someone to use film like you think they will. For when it comes right down to it, the guy is going to say "but I get just as good a print from my iPhone 5S" and he will be right...
Getting off of here and out shooting and showing work is the only way to promote one of the best reasons to use film, not being on a computer..
Oh, and about the choice of name for this site, it is terrible, sounds like a "A-Pug", a dog, **really** piss poor when it comes to promoting film. Google filmphotography.com, not even in use although grossly overpriced, drop the last letter and it is a bargain so buy the damn URL and have it link back to this site, can you do that with MY money please?
Something, anything else to direct traffic to the site because the name is horrid in terms of finding the site Sean…not one single pro or very few amateurs I have encountered have even heard of it.
I've had many similar experiences, Ken. I've never said no either. I can't count how many times I've put someone under the dark cloth. I've also explained what I'm shooting, how I'm metering, and what I plan for the finished image, for those interested. I'm not looking for converts... just hoping people learn there are people who care about their craft, even if their craft is seen as archaic and has been (seemingly) marginalized. Sharing one's passion is fun...
But, most Pros that I know are either too busy being pros, or disdain APUG as being a site for newbies (this includes other similar web sites). And, since the Pros are experts, they don't like arguments, which are all too often on this and other web sites. Differences of opinion yes, arguments no!
And many Pros either don't want to help or don't care, or have gone digital.
But, most Pros that I know are either too busy being pros, or disdain APUG as being a site for newbies (this includes other similar web sites). And, since the Pros are experts, they don't like arguments, which are all too often on this and other web sites. Differences of opinion yes, arguments no!
And many Pros either don't want to help or don't care, or have gone digital.
PE
I suppose if you wait about 20 years when people start losing their digital photos due to crashed drives and deteriorating media, as well as engineered obsolescence on the part of the digital mafia, people might start coming around OR the digital industry will start paying attention to image longevity. Hopefully the world supply of film will hold til then. In the meantime, play Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" one more time
A pro to me is someone who makes ALL of his income from photography.
PE
Maybe we should define "pro." The usual definition is someone who is paid for their work, or perhaps earns their living from it. Is that how we mean it here?
I find I promote film use the best when I am not on the internet but out shooting, carrying my little 5x7 folio of hand made prints. APUG is not what gets people looking at choosing film again, it is where they go once they decide to explore it, if they can even find the site, usually by word of mouth.
This site and especially the photos that reside on it are largely invisible to most of the world and I think that PE's citation of metrics is probably correct. Those who become re-engaged in the craft of using film usually have done so because they were inspired by something or someone, like an NYT Lens blog article, a showing of fine prints, seeing someone under the dark cloth or seeing better than usual work on flickr.
That being said Rena Effendi's recent work for National Geographic, New York Times, and her book were all photographed with her Rollie and E-6 media.
Sorry to disagree, but it was APUG directly that got me back into film. For reasons I cannot recall now, I landed here and started lurking, 100% as a digital shooter. I lurked for probably close to a year before I finally decided that yes, I would return to film. I cannot see how that would have happened without reading and lurking here.
Sorry to disagree, but it was APUG directly that got me back into film. For reasons I cannot recall now, I landed here and started lurking, 100% as a digital shooter. I lurked for probably close to a year before I finally decided that yes, I would return to film. I cannot see how that would have happened without reading and lurking here.
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