Fujifilm Announces Film Price increases

RattyMouse · Dec 27, 2012

Roger Cole said:
FP4 is a great film. So is Acros. They look pretty different though. I've settled on FP4+ since Plus-X died but I've been shooting some Acros lately and have to say I really like it.

There isn't enough price difference between these films to make that a deciding factor unless you are shooting a LOT of film and, even then, it will probably get swamped in the "noise" of chemical and paper costs.

Acros is AMAZING. I wish they made it in ISO400 too.

Brian C. Miller · Dec 28, 2012

Fuji used to make Neopan 400 in 120, but then one of the binding chemicals was put on the Japanese "do no use" list. There's posts about that on APUG and other boards containing the details. The film was discontinued because it was unprofitable to reformulate it.

moviemaniac · Dec 28, 2012

Neopan 400 is back (they replaced the banned ingredient), but only in 135, not in 120.

StoneNYC · Dec 28, 2012

moviemaniac said:
Neopan 400 is back (they replaced the banned ingredient), but only in 135, not in 120.

That's annoying as I only shoot 120 really...

~Stone

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iulian · Dec 28, 2012

Probably Neopan 400 was first coated on 135 film base. If people buy it, they could coat it in 120. If the volume sold in the high volume market is like 10% of the volume before discontinuing it, they won't (and probably shouldn't) bother coating it again in 120.

RattyMouse · Dec 28, 2012

StoneNYC said:
That's annoying as I only shoot 120 really...

~Stone

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Likewise.

StoneNYC · Dec 28, 2012

iulian said:
Probably Neopan 400 was first coated on 135 film base. If people buy it, they could coat it in 120. If the volume sold in the high volume market is like 10% of the volume before discontinuing it, they won't (and probably shouldn't) bother coating it again in 120.

Hmm, well, I guess I COULD buy some 135 400 but with the replaced chemical is it any good?

I just looked and prices are great for 135 haha.

It doesn't say ACROS only Neopan... I don't know the history, and I've always wondered why it had 2 names... Can anyone explain? And why would the 400 Neopan NOT be Acros?

Thanks

~Stone

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iulian · Dec 28, 2012

StoneNYC said:
Hmm, well, I guess I COULD buy some 135 400 but with the replaced chemical is it any good?

I just looked and prices are great for 135 haha.

It doesn't say ACROS only Neopan... I don't know the history, and I've always wondered why it had 2 names... Can anyone explain? And why would the 400 Neopan NOT be Acros?

Thanks

I think Neopan 400 is classic grain (it doesn't say tabular or sigma or t-grain anywhere in the datasheet) but with fin egrain and high sensitivity. Acros is modern grain, in the same class as Delta and TMAX. I don't use the 400 but I use Acros in 120 format as my main film and I love it. The fact that it's cheap helps a bit with the love but it's not all there is to it. I hate Foma 100 even if it's the cheapest film around here - I only use it to test my film-backs for light leaks and that sort of stuff, so you can imagine the hate

StoneNYC · Dec 28, 2012

iulian said:
I think Neopan 400 is classic grain (it doesn't say tabular or sigma or t-grain anywhere in the datasheet) but with fin egrain and high sensitivity. Acros is modern grain, in the same class as Delta and TMAX. I don't use the 400 but I use Acros in 120 format as my main film and I love it. The fact that it's cheap helps a bit with the love but it's not all there is to it. I hate Foma 100 even if it's the cheapest film around here - I only use it to test my film-backs for light leaks and that sort of stuff, so you can imagine the hate

I don't think that's correct, I specifically asked before and I swear someone told me that Acros was NOT T grain... I was asking about buying developers... I don't know for sure but I remember being told that Acros was classic grain...

~Stone

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ntenny · Dec 29, 2012

I won't re-threadjack, but my 645 arrived and I posted some (there was a url link here which no longer exists). Short summary: Good.

-NT

lxdude · Dec 29, 2012

StoneNYC said:
I don't think that's correct, I specifically asked before and I swear someone told me that Acros was NOT T grain... I was asking about buying developers... I don't know for sure but I remember being told that Acros was classic grain...

~Stone

Maybe they were just wrong.

According to Fuji, Acros employs "Super Fine Sigma Grain Technology", which to my understanding is equivalent to T-grain.
Here's what Wackypedia says: "Tabular-grain film...includes nearly all color films, T-MAX films from Kodak..., Delta films from Ilford Photo and the Fujifilm Neopan films."

StoneNYC · Dec 29, 2012

lxdude said:
Maybe they were just wrong.

According to Fuji, Acros employs "Super Fine Sigma Grain Technology", which to my understanding is equivalent to T-grain.
Here's what Wackypedia says: "Tabular-grain film...includes nearly all color films, T-MAX films from Kodak..., Delta films from Ilford Photo and the Fujifilm Neopan films."

That would mean that the NEOPAN word is the T grain indicator not Acros, so then what's "Neopan Acros 100" vs just "neopan 400"?

~Stone

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lxdude · Dec 29, 2012

Acros is a type of Neopan. I don't know if the Wiki article is accurate, but Fuji makes it clear in their Acros data sheet. It uses tabular grain.

StoneNYC · Dec 29, 2012

lxdude said:
Acros is a type of Neopan. I don't know if the Wiki article is accurate, but Fuji makes it clear in their Acros data sheet. It uses tabular grain.

Gotcha thanks

~Stone

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h.v. · Jan 6, 2013

Anybody think that if Kodak doesn't find a buyer for its film and it discontinues all the film (I'm hoping it doesn't, but you never know) that Fuji will re-introduce Fuji 160S, Fuji 160C, and Fuji 800Z? 400H isn't much to go on, considering the only other colour neg they have is Fuji Superia (and Reala in 120).

StoneNYC · Jan 6, 2013

benjiboy said:
At least they are still manufacturing film, for which I'm thankful.

+1

moviemaniac · Jan 7, 2013

h.v. said:
(and Reala in 120).

Reala is gone too, it'll only be around for as long as remaining stock lasts.
I don't remember where I read it, but there was a statement from Fujifilm that they would bring discontinued films back if there were demand. Kodak kicking the bucket would surely qualify IMHO. On another note: I would love to see 800Z back and have both 160NS and 800Z available in 135 as well. Fuji only has 400H left in 135 (at least in their professional lineup). Portras are fine but at times for certain situations too magenta-ish for my taste, the lack of choice in 135 really bugs me...

Fujifilm Announces Film Price increases

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