Fujichrome T64 professional [RTP]

sanderx1 · Jan 31, 2006

Ok, enough of the doom and gloom - has anybody seen this film - Dead Link Removed - in action yet? Any ideas when it will trickle out of the Japanese markets ? And what it does / will cost over the present one? It will be great seeing it with Astia style nearly non-existent RMS 7 grain

roteague · Jan 31, 2006

It is my understanding that Fuji is upgrading all their color transparencies, to the 4 layer technology.

BTW, there are two other Fuji transparency films that are only sold in Japan.

Fortia 50, introduced in 2004, and Fortia SP, introduced in 2005:
http://www.fujifilm.co.jp/ppg/fortia/index.html

Sorry, the page is in Japanese.

sanderx1 · Jan 31, 2006

roteague said:
It is my understanding that Fuji is upgrading all their color transparencies, to the 4 layer technology.

Which at least to me is great news, especially if they throw in reductions in grain size.

roteague said:
BTW, there are two other Fuji transparency films that are only sold in Japan.

Fortia 50, introduced in 2004, and Fortia SP, introduced in 2005:
http://www.fujifilm.co.jp/ppg/fortia/index.html

Sorry, the page is in Japanese.

Are these now regularily made? At least Fortia when introduced was a limited production (with the limit being one run) item and IIRC so was Fortia SP.

roteague · Jan 31, 2006

Sorry, I don't know. I found out about the films last year through Ken Rockwell's site.

Daniel Lawton · Jan 31, 2006

I was at B+H the other week and they were completely out of both Kodak and Fuji 64 speed tungsten films. This is the first I heard of Fuji upgrading their E-6 films. Great news! Nice to see something positive developing and I can't wait to try them out.

roteague · Jan 31, 2006

Daniel Lawton said:
I was at B+H the other week and they were completely out of both Kodak and Fuji 64 speed tungsten films. This is the first I heard of Fuji upgrading their E-6 films. Great news! Nice to see something positive developing and I can't wait to try them out.

All of their "F" films are upgraded, except Velvia 100F which is new. Notice, Astia 100 is now Astia 100F.

Daniel Lawton · Jan 31, 2006

Aha I see. Duh. At any rate It''ll be interesting to see what the new version of 64 T looks like.

ineffablething · Jan 31, 2006

My understanding is that they are NOT doing a new version of RTP. At least according to their local rep.

Daniel Lawton said:
Aha I see. Duh. At any rate It''ll be interesting to see what the new version of 64 T looks like.

c6h6o3 · Jan 31, 2006

ineffablething said:
My understanding is that they are NOT doing a new version of RTP. At least according to their local rep.

The old version is pretty good film. It's sharper and finer grained than Kodak's 64T, which is really saying something, but it also has more contrast and the signature Fuji green. It also doesn't have as long a scale. But if EPY weren't available I'd be fairly content using it since I can correct the color balance in Photoshop.

sanderx1 · Feb 1, 2006

ineffablething said:
My understanding is that they are NOT doing a new version of RTP. At least according to their local rep.

But how do you then explain the contents of the link I posted? The film detailed in the pdf certainly isn't the present 64T RTP II.

Lee L · Feb 1, 2006

roteague said:
BTW, there are two other Fuji transparency films that are only sold in Japan.

Fortia 50, introduced in 2004, and Fortia SP, introduced in 2005:
http://www.fujifilm.co.jp/ppg/fortia/index.html

Megaperls sells the Fortia SP to customers outside the Japanese market.

Dead Link Removed

Lee

Sal Santamaura · Feb 1, 2006

sanderx1 said:
Ok, enough of the doom and gloom - has anybody seen this film - Dead Link Removed - in action yet?...It will be great seeing it with Astia style nearly non-existent RMS 7 grain

Comparing the linked T64 data sheet with the RTPII data sheet currently on Fuji USA's site, the following differences are apparent in the new film:

* 5x7, 11x14, 9x12cm and 13x18cm sheets no longer available
* Sheet film base now 175um polyester instead of 205um acetate
* 120 base now thinner at 98um (vs. 104um)
* Balanced for 3200 K (vs. 3100 K)
* Short exposures OK to 1/125 sec. (vs. 1/15 sec.)
* Long exposures OK with no compensation to 2 min. (vs. 64 sec.)
* Exposure compensation of +1/3 stop at 4 min. (vs. +1/2 stop at 256 sec.)
* Diffuse RMS granularity of 7 (vs. 10)
* High-contrast resolving power of 115 lines/mm (vs. 135 lines/mm)
* Characteristic curves that depart noticably above D=2.4 (vs. 2.7)
* Reduced MTF response, both at low and high frequencies

roteague · Feb 1, 2006

Thanks Sal. This is definitely a new 4-layer version of RTP. The previous poster whose Fuji rep told him otherwise isn't keeping up with what is going on in his own company.

Here is a link about the new 4-layer films if anyone is interested: Dead Link Removed

Lachlan Young · Feb 1, 2006

While we are talking about Fuji can anyone enlighten me as to the Fuji BW papers on This Page - from a very rough translation it looks like there could be some very interesting papers here!

Lachlan

Sal Santamaura · Feb 1, 2006

roteague said:
...This is definitely a new 4-layer version of RTP...

Much as I've always appreciated the advantages of Fuji's fourth layer, in this case it seems to make the new film less sharp. Not an issue in 4x5, but perhaps important to those shooting 35mm.

roteague · Feb 1, 2006

Sal Santamaura said:
Much as I've always appreciated the advantages of Fuji's fourth layer, in this case it seems to make the new film less sharp. Not an issue in 4x5, but perhaps important to those shooting 35mm.

I suspect it won't make much difference. Most 35mm photographers are using zoom lenses, as I do, that won't even resolve high enough to make any difference. I've been looking for a lens resolution chart/test for my 35mm lenses, but haven't found one yet.

sanderx1 · Feb 1, 2006

Sal Santamaura said:
Much as I've always appreciated the advantages of Fuji's fourth layer, in this case it seems to make the new film less sharp. Not an issue in 4x5, but perhaps important to those shooting 35mm.

It just hit me - the new T64 will have the lowest high contrast resolution of any Fuji slide fim, including 400 speed consumer films. They all have at least 135.

Whetever this makes an actual difference, and to how many people ... I'm honestly not sure. If you are trying to squeeze every bit you can out of the system, sure, the drop in resultion may be significant. Then again, Velvia 100/100F have a resolution of 160lpm at that contrast and might give a better result with filtration (but at a slower speed). At any rate, you need to be using a very good lens and very stable tripod and then use a very good scanner (or enlrager) to get a difference in the end result, even more so with the reduced grain.

ineffablething · Feb 1, 2006

Hello,

Please allow me to state the obvious....that I was wrong about the demise of RTP. I was thinking of NPL. The Fuji rep stated that they had no new version of NPL coming out.

Goes to show you why I don't believe anything I read on the internet!!!

W

c6h6o3 said:
The old version is pretty good film. It's sharper and finer grained than Kodak's 64T, which is really saying something, but it also has more contrast and the signature Fuji green. It also doesn't have as long a scale. But if EPY weren't available I'd be fairly content using it since I can correct the color balance in Photoshop.

roteague · Feb 1, 2006

ineffablething said:
Hello,

Please allow me to state the obvious....that I was wrong about the demise of RTP. I was thinking of NPL. The Fuji rep stated that they had no new version of NPL coming out.

That is because it has been replaced by a newer film - either the Pro 160S or 160C, I'm not sure which one corresponds to NPL.

sanderx1 · Feb 1, 2006

ineffablething said:
Hello,

Please allow me to state the obvious....that I was wrong about the demise of RTP. I was thinking of NPL. The Fuji rep stated that they had no new version of NPL coming out.

Goes to show you why I don't believe anything I read on the internet!!!

W

Heh. Given that NPL only came out slightly more than a year ago thats no wonder ;-)

sanderx1 · Feb 1, 2006

roteague said:
That is because it has been replaced by a newer film - either the Pro 160S or 160C, I'm not sure which one corresponds to NPL.

Neither. NPL aka 160L is the tungsten balanced, japan only[1], 120 and sheet film format only 160 speed negative film designed for long / longish exposures. It came out at the same time as 160S & 160C so its a fairly new film. http://www.silverprint.co.uk/PDF/NPL160.pdf

[1] well, it is easily available elsewhere too, but the fuji usa / uk / etc sites don't officialy list it.

roteague · Feb 1, 2006

sanderx1 said:
Neither. NPL aka 160L is the tungsten balanced, japan only[1], 120 and sheet film format only 160 speed negative film designed for long / longish exposures. It came out at the same time as 160S & 160C so its a fairly new film. http://www.silverprint.co.uk/PDF/NPL160.pdf

[1] well, it is easily available elsewhere too, but the fuji usa / uk / etc sites don't officialy list it.

Thanks, I wasn't aware that Fuji made a tungsten based color negative film.

ineffablething · Feb 1, 2006

Actually, NPL has been out for years and has recently been discontinuted. AFAIK, there is no new replacement. It's a nice film. Too bad if it's gone.

roteague said:
Thanks, I wasn't aware that Fuji made a tungsten based color negative film.

roteague · Feb 1, 2006

I'm afraid we don't use much color negative film in the landscape business.

ajuk · Feb 6, 2006

roteague said:
It is my understanding that Fuji is upgrading all their color transparencies, to the 4 layer technology.

I thought that had already done that? I did read in this months Profesional Photographer that both Fuji and Kodak have new emultions coming.

Fujichrome T64 professional [RTP]

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