Frames that start and end between sprocket holes...

GarageBoy · Feb 19, 2015

I've noticed that my Minolta XD11 and my Yashica FX-D runs the film through the gate in a way that when you cut the negatives, it frame is between sprocket holes...
This makes sleeving such a pain and looks sloppy...
Really not a big deal, but frustrating at 5AM when you're cutting negs to put into sleeves

BrianShaw · Feb 19, 2015

Interesting. I'm embarrassed to say that I've never noticed this phenomenon/problem... and I've been involved in photography since 1980. Perhaps I should start paying better attention.

bsdunek · Feb 19, 2015

My old Retina Reflex used to do that. Just annoying, but I lived with it.

GarageBoy · Feb 19, 2015

Example- you see how the left edge barely lines up with the sprocket hole?

MattKing · Feb 19, 2015

Use nail clippers to round the corners at the end of each strip - wherever they may end up.

EDIT: best to do this on a towel or sheet of paper, unless you want little bits of film everywhere.

summicron1 · Feb 19, 2015

Leicas normally have the space between sprockets between the frames, but the person who reassembled my Leicaflex SL put something back wrong and now it doesn't, so I end up slicing the sprocket hole.

no biggie, camera works fine otherwise. Either way, it is vastly easier to sleeve negs if you snip the point off the corner -- even a teeeeny tiny bit just to take the very tip point off, is enough.

GarageBoy · Feb 19, 2015

Thanks- now it's just getting over the fact that the edges look ragged...
I mauled my neg sleeves this morning (curl and sharp corners was not a fun combo)

frank · Feb 19, 2015

I've never noticed or been aware of the relationship between frame edges and sprocket holes. I've always assumed it was random. I've gotten through almost 40 years of photography oblivious to this, so I don't think that I'll start worrying about it now.

fotch · Feb 19, 2015

frank said:
I've never noticed or been aware of the relationship between frame edges and sprocket holes. I've always assumed it was random. I've gotten through almost 40 years of photography oblivious to this, so I don't think that I'll start worrying about it now.

+1

MartinP · Feb 19, 2015

I always thought that the frames lining up to allow a solid piece of film (instead of a hole) between each one was part of the 135 camera specification? It must depend on the angular relationship between the shaft with the sprocket teeth and the edge of the frame mask I suppose.

gorbas · Feb 19, 2015

Of all my 35mm bodies, Bessa R does it, cutting negative's right in the middle of sprocket hole, totally annoying. Leica M2 and M6 are on the right spot between frames. Nikons are good too. Spotmatic's are not too bad. Just somebody didn't think about it during design of the camera.

snapguy · Feb 19, 2015

engineer

I wonder how the engineers would know how you cut your film and if you cut them at all and what happens when you shoot slide film and does that affect the sprocket hole placement and this whole thing sounds quite a bit like very small beer.

BrianShaw · Feb 19, 2015

shoot 120; problem solved.

GarageBoy · Feb 19, 2015

You check the distance between the drive sprocket and the film gate

Simonh82 · Feb 19, 2015

I agree that it never occurred to me that the frames and sprocket holes should line up. Then I picked up an EOS 3 with automatic film advance and every frame was perfectly aligned.

It is a nice feature and almost makes up for the fact that you will never get more than exactly 36 exposures out of a roll as it automatically rewinds the second you take your 36th shot. The cheapskate in me always wants to squeeze another couple of frames out of a roll.

Sirius Glass · Feb 19, 2015

Never a problem for me because most slides stayed in the original mounts and the rest were mounted in glass. As for negatives, I keep the 35mm film in strips and occasionally the edge of a sprocket hole will catch on the sleeve of a PrintFile page.

I do not cut individual frames of 35mm film. I would especially avoid cutting individual frames of single [aka half] frame 35mm film.

Rick A · Feb 19, 2015

Where the spacing lines end up is a matter of how you load the camera, nothing odd about it, the camera isn't doing anything to mess with you.

gorbas · Feb 20, 2015

Rick A., sorry, way of loading film will not change it. Distance between frame gate and gears will.

pbromaghin · Feb 20, 2015

MattKing said:
Use nail clippers to round the corners at the end of each strip - wherever they may end up.

EDIT: best to do this on a towel or sheet of paper, unless you want little bits of film everywhere.

I cut the corners off at 45 degrees with the scissor. This sounds better.

ic-racer · Feb 20, 2015

Yes, when you have 10 rolls to put in the sleeve/pages these little things act like prongs and grab the edges of the page. A real pain compared to a clean cut film edge which slides in nicely.

pdeeh · Feb 20, 2015

Isn't it a little early in the year for an April's Fool thread?

AgX · Feb 20, 2015

GarageBoy said:
Really not a big deal, but frustrating at 5AM when you're cutting negs to put into sleeves

Such malalignment between frame and perforation is a major problem with certain slide mounts.

bobwysiwyg · Feb 20, 2015

pbromaghin said:
I cut the corners off at 45 degrees with the scissor. This sounds better.

I've found that it takes just the tiniest bit nipped off the corner to make them slide in easily.

MattKing · Feb 20, 2015

bobwysiwyg said:
I've found that it takes just the tiniest bit nipped off the corner to make them slide in easily.

Exactly, which is why the nail clippers are good. I think that pbromaghin's post indicates he likes the idea of using clippers instead.

Not to mention that it is just about impossible to accidentally cut a big chunk out of a negative with nail clippers.

pbromaghin · Feb 20, 2015

MattKing said:
Exactly, which is why the nail clippers are good. I think that pbromaghin's post indicates he likes the idea of using clippers instead.

Not to mention that it is just about impossible to accidentally cut a big chunk out of a negative with nail clippers.

You are correct about my poorly phrased thoughts, sir. The slight curve of a clipper should be much better than a simple angled cut.

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