Could someone tell me if today's FP4 and HP5 have the same pale numbers on the backing paper, or do they have the usual black ones?
Pale. I had a roll of HP5 in my Mamiya Six Folder, and could barely see the exploding circles and numbers. I went past a couple...
They're harder than usual to see in my Mamiya Six folder due to the combination of yellow, rather than red window, and being much deeper behind the window due to the moving film place focusing and its pressure plate insert.
I wonder if they could get their supplier to print the numbers in a faint blue, so that the yellow or red windows would make them stand out more? More expense, I know...
As I understand it, that would only be a realistic option for the next bulk purchase (which might be one or more years out), and would require sampling and testing the new ink against wrapper offset. I'm inclined to say if what they're using now works and avoids showing on the negatives, we can all carry a penlight or similar to read the numbers.
Don’t have enough hands to also hold a penlight.
I like Foma 100 and it has very dark, readable numbers on the back. With Ilford and Kodak I use bright light but haven't risked direct sun.
Their backing paper seems to be pretty thick and paper-y, as opposed to the Kodak paper, which seems to be quite slick, with a plastic-y feel.
Thanks. Your above quote seems to fly in the face of the consensus that all backing paper now comes from one source and that paler numbers are the only solution
If Foma is still arriving in what seems to be thick and paper-y format then it would suggest that unless Foma is still using old backing paper stock then different backing paper is to be found and on this backing paper darker numbers can be printed
pentaxuser
It does seem to fly, doesn't it. Every time this discrepancy is mentioned, nobody can verify it and nobody seems to know who the single source is. It's not realistic that this is a classified top trade secret, especially considering the amount of detail on backing paper that is publically available via Kodak patents. An odd curiosity of our hobby/business.
Go right ahead! That, and the Serenity Prayer, has been my morning affirmations for years. There are some things that just are what they are.I will stop now before being tempted to break into the famous Doris Day number "Que sera, sera"
I've not had good experience with the thick backing paper - lots of light leak on the film edges where it may not seal well with the spool. If that backing paper disappeared and the thin backing paper became the only backing paper, I would not be disappointed. What I don't understand is that the Kodak patent (drawing from memory) includes tapered edges yet a Kodak publication on "The Making of Kodak Roll Film" shows it being slit from a wide roll. I wonder if they skive the edges thinner after slitting or not.
Go right ahead! That, and the Serenity Prayer, has been my morning affirmations for years. There are some things that just are what they are.
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