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Yeah! Talk for yourself what is uncle bill? Yes you should wait for him I don't have anything against it!
I am starting to become a skeptic when people come out with corporate announcements when the person posting said information hides behind an online alias. It comes down to transparency, I don't know you, what your line of business is and where you fit in the scheme of things.
I am going to wait for Mirko from Fotoimpex to weigh in since he sources his Classicpan film through Forte.
PS Ilford film rocks especially HP5 and FP4.
I've recently come to that conclusion too. Not to discount Kentmere, but it doesn't make film.
I disagree; such a demand is unrealistically greedy. We need to support them by buying their existing products. If, in the face of ongoing market contractions, they survive and maintain sufficient profitability, any advancement in the materials that becomes possible will be a bonus. Current materials are already at a high level.
I never suggested not offering Ilford input. Rather, I disagreed with your original wording...so why wouldn't people who have many years of experience in the darkroom not offer their input. It is my hope that the materials and medium keeps growing and improving over the years. I hate to think it will dwindle down to a mind set of take it or leave it...we certainly need to buy their products, but we should also give feedback to the limits of their products if we see them...
..we need to communicate with the companies like Ilford and tell them we will support their product if they make the investment to advance the materials we need to do our work.
I never suggested not
Despite all that, I think Ilford has been remarkably active in exploring product improvements and adaptations lately. Many here don't know how good they've got it.
Maybe we should! If everybody get's something we can own our own company! Nice idea ha? How many people in this site seventeen thousend? Well it's a huge amount of money! I think we could buy it cheap!
If you want to do that, let's rather buy the Agfa factory, it is state of the art, and looks like new. I saw it, sent shivers down my spine. Could be used for color film also...
APUGcolor, APUGchrome and APUGpan film....
I wish Ilford would launch an Expressive line: papers with strong characters that are jacks of one trade, not many. I still like their RC a lot because it's so neutral: after all, I use RC for proofing, so something plain is more useful.
Another reason to support Ilford.
Jim the only 400 speed film I know of it HP5 and TMAX 400 now. in 4x5 and 8x10. For 5x7 at 400 the only film is HP5 that I know of.
I know Foma makes a 200 speed film in LF.
From what I gather, Forte made the only 200 and 400 speed sheet film besides Kodak and Ilford. Those films primarily showing up as "house" brands of J&C and Freestyle and I guess Berger was also re-badged Forte film.
The greatest loss is for those ULF folks who counted on the greatly discounted prices when compared to Kodak and Ilford. (about 1/2 the price). That leaves Efke/Adox (pretty good films but nothing faster than 100) as the remaining low cost sheet film alternative.
I understand that Foma makes the Ultra Edu film for Freestyle, but that seems to only be available as 100 speed film. Does Foma or anyone else make a 400 speed film in ULF sizes besides Kodak and Ilford?
If you want to do that, let's rather buy the Agfa factory, it is state of the art, and looks like new. I saw it, sent shivers down my spine. Could be used for color film also...
APUGcolor, APUGchrome and APUGpan film....
As for the pepers it's even worst.
That is sadly truth......
Forte made some astonishing papers and in the years I appreciated them more and more above all Fortezo, since I have not great love with variable contast papers.
I spend some words for Bromofort: it is/was a really underestimated paper that give excellent results and only few Apug users seems to know it.
That's a pity a such great knowledge disappear and with Forte also the Bergger "premium" production.
Hope some investors will organize a new industrial masterplan to put the Forte production working again.
It is like a massacre game: only one or better two B&W materials producers will remain, I hope they will give us interesting products.
My wish is that Forte will survive.
Yes because this site is dripping of the Union jack and pushing that soulless Ilford!
I forgot to mention that the makig or creating a paper with soul is even more of the art or that is the art or the soul of the photography! Manufacturing film is easy everybody can do that! Just looked the Chinese. But they won't bother with paper at all.
Not so sure about that, I've seen some jaw dropping images printed on Ilford papers (have a look at some Les McLean prints in the flesh). As for Forte (polywarmtone) it has been my primary paper for a while so will be sad to see it go.
Yes because this site is dripping of the Union jack and pushing that soulless Ilford!
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