FOMA 100 in Rodinal?

[chip j]

I like the "Classic" look I get w/ID-11, but prints from other Rodinal negs always remind me of the Kaiser! (It's true!!) The old news footage of him was probably developed in Rodinal because it was used for everything then--even prints.

 

[MDR]

Rodinal and Fomapan look good together a bit grainy and maybe a bit more contrasty than usual but nevertheless a nice look. ID11 that you are using is much closer to the Motion Picture film developers of that era than Rodinal. A lot of negatives were developed in pyro type developers, many labs also had their own M-H (Metol Hydroquinone) developers. For positives Agfa 20 (M-H developer) would have been the most likely choice. Contrary to popular believe Rodinal was not the developer of choice for most photographers let alone Motion Picture labs of that time. Films were super grainy compared to todays films and Rodinal which somewhat enhances grain would have been a less than ideal choice. Furthermore Motion Picture labs would have used a variation of deep tank processing developing batches of 200ft of film at the time. Rodinal is simple not suited for that type of processing as they wouldn't have changed the chemicals after each Batch.

If you want the MP look stay with ID11, D76 if you want a a bit of grain that some People mistake for old time look go with Rodinal. Both are good choices.

 

[Xmas]

Kaiser William abdicated in 1918?
D76 published 1927?

Note Im not a history major

 

[baachitraka]

Foma 100 in Rodinal 1+50(or any other concentration if you choose) can give you very good negatives but tended to build the contrast very fast.

I personally shorten the development times by 10-15%

 

[Richard S. (rich815)]

Foma 100 in Rodinal 1+50(or any other concentration if you choose) can give you very good negatives but tended to build the contrast very fast.

I personally shorten the development times by 10-15%

Me too.

 

[MDR]

Kaiser William abdicated in 1918?
D76 published 1927?

Note Im not a history major

Metol Hydroquinone developers are older than D76, D76 is an MH developer thus closer to the formulas (1900 - 1920's) used for MP Film processing than Rodinal which was never used for this purpose. Agfa had several MP developer formulas Rodinal is not among them.

 

[chip j]

Yes, I know D76 was a MP developer. And, AgX, it was Kaiser Wilhelm, not William. I just read a history of Rodinal that says it WAS used for MP dev. back in the days of the Kaiser, and, like I said, for prints too.. It fell out of favor w/amateurs when 35mm film came along--those early films were grainy. And MDR, how about Foma 100 in Neofin Blau?

 

[MDR]

Just found a source that Rodinal was indeed very rarely used for MP Films but only in modified form as Rodinal-Hydrochinone developer but M-H were the prefered developers. Today some amateurs and very poor indie filmmakers use Rodinal for Home developing their Super 8 and 16mm B/W film the results are grainy but can ad a certain something. Film companies (even Kodak) and labs used Rodinal to test their MP films for sharpness and possible graininess weridly enough they also used Neofin Blau for that purpose some 20 to 30 years later

As for Cine film the 35mm format was often refered to as Kinofilm or Cinefilm that doesn't mean that it was used as such and sometimes "historians" make the mistake of believing that Kinofilm or Cinefilm always = Motion Picture film.

Rodinal is a good developer for Fomapan it just doesn't give you the Kaiser look but a look of it's own, what I forgot to ad was that the "Kaiser" Newsreels were shot on Orthochromatic film and not pan film. Never tried Neofin Blau or Beutlers with Neopan but I am sure that it will look good.

 

[Xmas]

Yes, I know D76 was a MP developer. And, AgX, it was Kaiser Wilhelm, not William. I just read a history of Rodinal that says it WAS used for MP dev. back in the days of the Kaiser, and, like I said, for prints too.. It fell out of favor w/amateurs when 35mm film came along--those early films were grainy. And MDR, how about Foma 100 in Neofin Blau?

Well he was known to the old contemptibles as Bill but he was 50% English...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II,_German_Emperor

 

[chip j]

Amazing how all those cousins started WW1!!

 

[Xmas]

Amazing how all those cousins started WW1!!

Was it Bismarck who said he would not give the bones of a Pomerian Guards man for the Balklands, but he got fired by wee willi...

Mr Cameron can trace his lineage back some way.