Both of these are uncropped, so on the first one i was perhaps 8 to 10 feet away from the post with the sign on it and the second one, I was very close (within 2 to 3 feet.) If someone thinks they like the results, this is a no brainer. The cameras, if not sitting around in your grandparents house are less than $10 at auction, yard sale or thrift store. There are always some on eBay. They are simple to work on. The one I'm currently working on had a somewhat sticky shutter. Soaked in a little lighter fuid and 3 in 1 oil mixture and it works like a champ. Bill Barber