Flexicolor developer replenisher without starter

[kunihiko]

I found that Oriental sells Flexicolor Developer Replenisher LORR equivalent at reasonable price - 4 x 10liter kits for about $50 including shipping.
I'd like to try it out, but don't have the Starter LORR.
Kodak here(Japan) lists the Starter, so I could find it somewhere, but not localy.

Do I really need it ?
What would happen when I use the dev/rep without starter ?


Thanks in advance.

 

[Nick Zentena]

Let PE explain but I'd expect the developer to be too hot. When you run film it releases bromide etc.

It seems wierd they don't have the starter.

Kodak makes a different developer that doesn't need a starer.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Let PE explain but I'd expect the developer to be too hot. When you run film it releases bromide etc.

It seems wierd they don't have the starter.

Kodak makes a different developer that doesn't need a starer.

The starter adjusts the developer to equal a seasoned developer. Nick has it essentially right.

You can use it, but test a roll of film first and then adjust development slightly to compensate.

Since the starter contains both halides and extra buffer and developing agent, I don't remember whether it is truly hotter or 'cooler' than the regular developer. Its been too long since I played with it. Sorry.

PE

 

[bob100684]

The starter adjusts the developer to equal a seasoned developer. Nick has it essentially right.

You can use it, but test a roll of film first and then adjust development slightly to compensate.

Since the starter contains both halides and extra buffer and developing agent, I don't remember whether it is truly hotter or 'cooler' than the regular developer. Its been too long since I played with it. Sorry.

PE

It'd be hotter....dev too hot add starter, dev too cool do spikes.

 

[kunihiko]

Thank you all.
I would try it out, run some test rolls first. If it worked I'd be able to simply continue or start a replenishing cycle. If it didn't, I'd try to buy a bottle of starter.

Thanks again.

 

[msage]

I found that Oriental sells Flexicolor Developer Replenisher LORR equivalent at reasonable price - 4 x 10liter kits for about $50 including shipping.
I'd like to try it out, but don't have the Starter LORR.
Kodak here(Japan) lists the Starter, so I could find it somewhere, but not localy.

Do I really need it ?
What would happen when I use the dev/rep without starter ?


Thanks in advance.

Cheak with a local lab, they may sell enough to compleate your mix.
Michael

 

[kunihiko]

Thank you Michael, but all lab I see localy is greenish, not yellow

 

[msage]

Thank you Michael, but all lab I see localy is greenish, not yellow

I understand. The "yellow" starter and the "green" starter are basically the same. I have swapped them in the past with no problems. I don't remember if there are different amounts when you do that.
Michael

 

[kunihiko]

Thank you Michael, That helps me a lot !
Now I have nothing to worry about. It's time to shoot color.
Thanks.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Given that Fuji C41 is used (or was used) with licence from Kodak, I would think that they would be very much alike in all respects.

PE

 

[Stack8]

Fuji Hunt does make a C-41 starter. I think it is a little stronger than the Kodak, so be sure to follow the instructions. I've done this many times when starting up fresh tank solutions in automatic processors.

 

[kunihiko]

Finally I ordered a bottle of kodak starter though, I gave a little try.
I mixed 1 litter of working solution without starter and added 1.5g of KBr.
I developed some rolls of films for 5min 30sec at 30C with small tank, the film was Fuji PRO400, printed on Kodak supra endura with normal filter set (65M+55Y), paper developed in Kodak RA(room temp, tray).
It was little bit contrasty, just a little bit though, the color was just fine.

Thanks

 

[PHOTOTONE]

Develop for 5 minutes?, 3 minutes?, where are you getting these times???. AFAIK and I have been doing C-41 since it was released, the developer time has always been 3.25 minutes at 100f. The other chemicals have different times depending on what version of C-41 you are using, but the developer has and always has been 3.25 minutes at 100f.