If you keep going far beyond that point, the fixer will gradually start to bleach the metallic (image) silver also.
RTFM.
http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/2006130218312091.pdf
I'm using 1:9 always.
"For use as a fixer in paper processing machines ILFORD RAPID FIXER is diluted 1+4 with water but for manual fixing applications it can be diluted either 1+4 or 1+9."
Material Dilution Time (minutes): RC paper 1+9 (1), FB paper 1+9 (2).
RTFM.
http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/2006130218312091.pdf
I'm using 1:9 always.
"For use as a fixer in paper processing machines ILFORD RAPID FIXER is diluted 1+4 with water but for manual fixing applications it can be diluted either 1+4 or 1+9."
Material Dilution Time (minutes): RC paper 1+9 (1), FB paper 1+9 (2).
Try my approach with your dilute fixer, but do a clip test with 1 + 4 fix first: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)
Different enough, in that the second bath is at least a little bit fresher, because it hasn't been depleted by the film that you are currently fixing.Thanks, but I don't get what the point of step 2 is ? If at step 3 you're immersing the film in the same fixer you're testing ?
I see. Somehow I read it several times and didn't get it.Thanks everyone
The question is about film though...maybe you should RTFQ
1) The concentration will affect both fixing times and capacity
2) Yes, with an acidic rapid fixer there is such a thing as overfixing. Proper fixing involves the removal of silver halides which were not developed into metallic silver. If you keep going far beyond that point, the fixer will gradually start to bleach the metallic (image) silver also.
I've developed data on clearing times vs. concentration for Ilford rapid fixer and HP5+, also for Tmax 400. I've been using a one-time two-bath approach at 1:14 dilution, but I think I can go more dilute. If you are interested I can post some data.Another question from my session last night !
I had a big batch of film to develop and short on fixer (Ilford Rapid Fixer) I used a 1+9 dilution instead of the usual 1+4. Ilford recommends that for film 1+4 always be used.
1- Is there a significant effect on fixing film when using a lower concentration ? I gave the film twice the usual time I fix with 1+4
2- The logical next question from above, is there such a thing as overfixing film ?
My understanding is that unlike developing fixing is a reaction that should 'finish', that is remove all silver and once that is done and the reaction stops there is no harm from having it soup longer. But a friend of mine argues that other chemistry in the fixer can actually harm the stability and the silver that's developed.
You can never recommend a dilution greater than that recommended by the manufacturer unless you claim to have greater knowledge of the product and the process than the manufacturer has.I've developed data on clearing times vs. concentration for Ilford rapid fixer and HP5+, also for Tmax 400. I've been using a one-time two-bath approach at 1:14 dilution, but I think I can go more dilute. If you are interested I can post some data.
You can never recommend a dilution greater than that recommended by the manufacturer unless you claim to have greater knowledge of the product and the process than the manufacturer has.
If you do, kindly present your credentials for public review.
- Leigh
That would certainly qualify you to do some valid testing and analysis.I have chemical engineering degrees from Princeton and MIT, 36 years of experience in industrial research, and 50 years experience as an amateur photographer, which I think are credentials enough to do some simple experiments on how fixer might be used in a certain way.
Have believe deals for the instructions of correct one plus for is the correct dilution for fixing film. However, there is such a thing as over fixing film. Is fixed for too long, shadow details will suffer. On the other hand, it takes quite a while to do so. If you stick to Milford's instructions, it will be fine. Best fixing is achieved by a two-bath fixing method. I believe That under fixing film is far more likely and common than over fixing it. It is much better to fix strong and fast than to fix week and long. This is true for film and paper.Another question from my session last night !
I had a big batch of film to develop and short on fixer (Ilford Rapid Fixer) I used a 1+9 dilution instead of the usual 1+4. Ilford recommends that for film 1+4 always be used.
1- Is there a significant effect on fixing film when using a lower concentration ? I gave the film twice the usual time I fix with 1+4
2- The logical next question from above, is there such a thing as overfixing film ?
My understanding is that unlike developing fixing is a reaction that should 'finish', that is remove all silver and once that is done and the reaction stops there is no harm from having it soup longer. But a friend of mine argues that other chemistry in the fixer can actually harm the stability and the silver that's developed.
1) The concentration will affect both fixing times and capacity
2) Yes, with an acidic rapid fixer there is such a thing as overfixing. Proper fixing involves the removal of silver halides which were not developed into metallic silver. If you keep going far beyond that point, the fixer will gradually start to bleach the metallic (image) silver also.
Pardon me, Ralph...Have believe deals for the instructions of correct one plus for is the correct dilution for fixing film.
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