Finding development time for ADOX HR-50 using Ornano Gradual ST-20 developer?

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Firstly, hello! This is my first post, and I was hoping to find a great place to gather information on film photography, as I've recently jumped down this vast rabbit hole with no way out. I've been doing film photography for a year and a half, and for half of that time, I've been developing and scanning my own film. I had no prior knowledge of photography, but since then, I've learned a lot.

I started off using Rodinal, which was a great introduction to developing my own film because, well... all the development times were available! Everything was handed to me on a silver platter. However, very recently, I moved away from Rodinal, as I started to dislike the way film looked when developed in it, just my personal preference. I bought Ornano Gradual ST-20 from Bellinifoto, and I absolutely love it! I especially love how Fomapan looks when developed with ST-20.

But there was a small caveat, and I knew I needed to get my feet wet here... That is, finding development times for films that haven't been developed with ST-20, and there are quite a lot.

As an example, right now, I have two rolls of Adox HR-50 that I would love to develop with ST-20 and find the right development times for. But the question is, how? What is the best way to do this?
For now, I thought I would research and try to look at possible developers that behave similarly to ST-20. I thought that Adox FX-39 seems to be a suitable candidate, as I was comparing development times currently published, e.g. (both films are hydroquinone but FX-39 is not phenidone-based I believe?)
Film FX-39 (1+9) ST-20 (1+9)
Ilford FP4+ 6:00 6:30
Ilford HP5+ 14:00 12:30
Kodak TMax 400 10:00 12:00
Adox HR-50 7:15 ???
While similar, I feel like this logic is full of BS and flaws but I was thinking that a possible baseline time could be between 7:30, 8 minutes or 9 minutes?
But how can I be sure before I go off developing a roll and have it be absolutely useless?

Do bear with me as its all kind of new to me and I'm learning from any resources I can find 😅 so I would really appreciate any information possible!
Thank you!
 

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You are asking a question about 4 different films with 2 different developers. When you factor in different development times/temperatures/agitation, just work out the mathermatical computations and you will see this is an impossible question to awnser.
 
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You are asking a question about 4 different films with 2 different developers. When you factor in different development times/temperatures/agitation, just work out the mathermatical computations and you will see this is an impossible question to awnser.

Sorry, should’ve made it clear that my question is aimed only at Adox HR-50. the other ones were nothing but an example of times and they’re already times within the data sheet of the developer.
 

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First, welcome to Photrio.
Second, I'll see if I can assist by adding a reference to the developer and film combination you are using to your thread title. That might drive some attention to the thread.
 
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First, welcome to Photrio.
Second, I'll see if I can assist by adding a reference to the developer you are using to your thread title. That might drive some attention to the thread.

thank you! Apologies I’ve just added it! Should’ve thought about this earlier!
 

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For what it is worth, I've never heard of the developer, and my sense is that the film has a relatively small user base, so you may have picked a challenging combination!
 

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thank you! Apologies I’ve just added it! Should’ve thought about this earlier!

Actually, I may have beat you to it :smile:. As a Moderator, I'm able to do a couple of extra things to help.
 
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For what it is worth, I've never heard of the developer, and my sense is that the film has a relatively small user base, so you may have picked a challenging combination!

To be honest I thought of the same 😅 but I really wanted to challenge myself somehow if possible. Ive never shot any of Adox film or ISO below 100 before and I really wanted to try something “new” to me.
 
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Normally I would suggest checking the Massive Dev web page, but it currently is not working for me..

Massive Dev chart

I have the mobile app and I’ve been using it very often, but unfortunately there’s no time for it as well.
the only ones are the ones I’ve attached
 

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I have the mobile app and I’ve been using it very often, but unfortunately there’s no time for it as well.
the only ones are the ones I’ve attached

Well then, this is your chance to take the lead, do some testing and publish a set of recommended times for that combination! You could also submit your suggestions to the Massive Dev folks...
Time to get famous, if not rich.
 

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You may want to reach out to the film manufacturer and the source for the developer.
And if you have more data points for the comparisons, someone here might be able to help improve the accuracy of any guess.
 
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did a bit of more sleepless research and will probably do a snip test before developing my film and pretty much pray/hope it will be close enough to my assumed 8 minutes?

I will definitely get back here with a developed negative and see if people think it’s overdeveloped or underdeveloped because I honestly always find it difficult to tell the difference
 
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