Filmomat - it does not get better!

Andreas Thaler

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I recently bought a copy of the still rare Filmomat.

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This machine is manufactured and distributed by a young guy in Munich/Germany. Located in Vienna/Austria I have tested it developing my very first color film and I am very satisfied with handling and results.

This is my review. I want to state explicitly that there is not any business relation between me and the vendor than being a customer


Filmomat – it does not get better!

I simply could not wait until the weekend to test the machine.

So I grabbed my Olympus in my lunch break and went out into the neighbourhood to have the first candidate for the Filmomat.

35 pictures were quickly taken and I started off in the late afternoon.



In the changing bag, I cracked the Portra film cartridge with the cartridge opener. As always, the end of the film has be cut with a round edge, so the film is not caught in the reel. I managed to do that – surprisingly – well ;-) Before, I had to practice a little on the Jobo reel, as it has to be fed in a different way than the Paterson, which I have been used to for decades.



Then I started the filling of the Filmomat. It takes quite a lot of water for the water jacket to temperate the film tank and the chemicals. Additionally it needs rinsing water, which goes into the rear part. Litres flowed. Then the film tank is attached and connected with the cable. This way, the tank is agitated and the reel bumped of the base of the film tank. Here, the developer and the bleach/fixing bath are already filled. The latter one a brown sauce. Better put on protective gloves and goggles. The Filmomat is now started, now it heats up the water jacket to reach the process temperature intended for C-41. Fever: 38 degrees. Wait, watch and be amazed. The machine hums, an active fan makes sure the power supply unit is cooled.



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Filmomat in action. The Tetenal C-41 process has started. Now the film tank has to be pre-flooded. At the bottom the total remaining time.



The set temperature has been reached. Above the present temperature of the water jacket, below the temperature of the chemicals. The Filmomat makes sure the temperature is kept and has a couple of tricks in its programming to make sure the cooling-off of the chemicals between the runs is compensated. Hats off!



The Filmomat’s inner water world. In the front the heating element, behind the water filter. The water jacket is circulated permanently. Behind it on the right the floater, which switches off the heater if the water level is too low.



Used process water is pumped off. A bucket should be ready at hand. The wastewater hose is attached to the Filmomat and is part of the scope of delivery.



Here the bleach/fixing bath is running.

Done, goal is reached. The first colour film developed myself! No, wrong, it was the Filmomat!

A perfectly developed Portra 400, no scratches, optimal density. It cannot be done better.



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More details are available on my site:

Filmomat - Colour film development with style in the living room

Filmomat – Preparations for the first colour film development (C-41)


Filmomat - Boarding completed!

Filmomat – my conclusion

Filmomat - the pictures
 
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Thank you. And welcome to Apug!

"Processor for the living room"..., a new concept for lab equipment.


(In the past one compact processor had been advertized as "processor for the hotel room".)
 
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As you seemingly did such processing for the first time we lack a side by side comparison with other processors, respectively from users who processed with such before.
The critique uttered here at Apug so far is that the processor only yields 3 bath tanks. Though it is not the only processor with such limitation.
 
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I can confirm that for C-41 (Tetenal) it works excellently as described. For this process (preprogrammed) only two of three tanks are required . E-6 is also as process preprogrammed. For both stabilisation of the developed film is done outside the Filmomat. More information is available on the vendor's site.
 
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The critique uttered here at Apug so far is that the processor only yields 3 bath tanks. Though it is not the only processor with such limitation.

Of course it depends on the individual requirement. Mine was to have a simple to operate processor for C-41 (and as option for BW) which works reliably saving place. This has been fulfilled.
 

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So very roughly about 2.600 euros, £2300 and $3,100 for the Filmomat. How had you previously processed film and can you say what it is about it that makes the price worthwhile compared to other film processors that are much cheaper? In other words, what made you decide to buy it?

Thanks

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Gave my color films to different labs in Vienna for developing. Experience was that none of them made it to return them intact. Scratches, stains, other issues. So I looked for a way to develop my films by myself. Requirements as described above: simple, reliable, saving room at home. So I compared the Filmomat with other processors resp. developing by a hand agitated tank as common for BW. The Filmomat was the winner. To me by far the most attractive processor as it not only fulfills my requirements but also is an eyecatcher and working with it is a lot of fun. Service by the vendor Lukas Fritz is excellent and very personal. All questions haven been answered promptly and in depth. So as I am very busy in my job and have only little spare time I went for the Filmomat.
 
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Hi Andreas, I can only echo your happiness with the Filmomat. I also received my machine this weekend. It it a fantastically well made sturdy machine that is both practical and easy to use.

So far I have run 4 B&W rolls through it, all perfectly developed.

C41 (separate bleach & fix) and ECN2 chemicals are arriving this week and will let you know how I get on.

I also hope to try 6 bath E6 in the machine, although there are only 3 chemical containers in the machine, it has the ability to pause the process midway. so i plan to drain the containers, rinse and refill with the remaining 3 chemicals to completion (stabiliser takes place outside the machine to avoid foaming)
 

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Andreas Thaler says in his review:

"The Filmomat appears in operation as magical machine and leads one back in days of childhood. A lot of amazement, unbelief and always the urge to understand what is going on in that black box..."


This is a feature that no other processor can compete with to that extend. Some are even just a grey box with some sound.
 
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Dang, wish it could handle 2-120 reels. Then I could really crank with this thing. Guess I'm sticking with the CPE2 for E6.
 

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Dang, wish it could handle 2-120 reels. Then I could really crank with this thing. Guess I'm sticking with the CPE2 for E6.

Hats-off to Lukas Fritz for pulling this off for the US marketplace - looks fantastic!

Your only other option for a fully automatic personal processor would be PhotoTherm Sidekick 4 or Sidekick 8 - both of which are higher-end, fully automated/programmable machines, or a Jobo ATL 500, 1000, 1500, or 2500, but you have to wait for them to come up on eBay periodically, and in good condition. New, the Super Sidekick 4 is $7K USD and they don't make the Super Siidekick 8's anymore. I picked up a PhotoTherm Sidekick 8 with 2 four-reel and 2 eight-reel drums and decided to have it completely rebuilt to be a Super Sidelick 8 by the manufacturer for about $1500US (I basically now have a brand new unit, new pump, motherboard - everything), so by the time I was done (buy a used unit, have it completely rebuilt, new refurb, reels, bottles, cart, etc), it cost me about $2800 to be able to do up to eight 35mm reels at a time or four 220/220 reels at a time, one-offs, or 4x5's. I almost went for the Filmomat but happened to happen on a Sidekick 8 in great shape and wanted the higher capacity and a few other features unique to the Sidekicks, including auto-siphon chems fill and drain to bottles, auto water fill and drain from 5 gal bottles or optionally tapped into a water line, supports many chem steps, instant switch between processes, and a lot of other things only the Sidekick can do in this price range. What I did was a hassle most won't want to go through or need; The Filmomat looks ready to go immediately. The great thing about the Filmomat is it is more compact, and it looks so cool. I think he'll sell a bunch as the Sidekicks and ATLs are getting harder to come by in good condition (although, Phototherm still fully services/supports the Sidekicks). I'd say the Filmomat is perfect for those that only need to do low volume, and not everyone needs to process C41, one moment and then B & W or E6 immediately after.

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Looks Great. I love nice equipment like this. I have a bunch of Jobo CPP-2 and a Duolab so not in the market. Just a word to people without the money for such nice equipment. All you really need is a developing tank, a thermometer, a bucket and a kitchen sink to develop anything.
Best Regards, Mike
 

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So very true. Anyone can do most of what we do with the most minimal of equipment - even homemade gear. When I started my freshman year in college as a photography and film major exactly 40 years ago, our professor (who had worked with some legendary photographers, and well known himself), made us all lock up all our equipment and made us build pinhole cameras from which we generated our first public exhibit. All we needed was a coffee can, a drill bit, a piece of copper for the lens, some cardboard and tape, and some B & W enlarging paper as film. I had only two steel developing tanks and same same old Durst M601 enlarger (A HUGE upgrade mind you from my Bogen 35), a basic Time-O-Lite timer, and makeshift everything for decades to follow. Now that I'm older and can finally afford gear I couldn't dream of owning back then (mostly because its now used and relatively cheap on eBay), I truly appreciate it. Truth be told though, it's now mostly for convenience and volume - I still own those two steel developing tanks.
 
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Good luck!

Feel free to share your experiences in this thread.
 

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No bucket or thermometer? No problem!



Maybe I should have used film that expired in this century.
 
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