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Once I got reasonably happy with my PH techniques I wanted to share them. That meant they had to be digitized.

Putting a negative on a home scanner with an external light source shining down on it. This is a rather common technique. Unfortunately with 35 mm even the finest scan resolution available to me (2400 dpi), would show scan lines when enlarged to view on the monitor. I switched from 35 mm to 4x5 film which help considerably. Still, occasionally I still could detect some scan lines.

I watch a video on converting 35mm slides to digital with a light board and a digital camera with a close up lens. After making a light board I found I could buy and 9"x12" board used for artist tracing for $13.00, all I needed was a white sheet of plastic to defuse all the tiny little led lights. It is more uniform and brighter than my home made board.

This image is from the scanner.




This image is with the Light board. Using the digital camera has far better resolution and contrast.

This photo was taken in the woods on a sunny day, at with 200 ISO film and f360 for 60 sec.

I just thought I would add to the tribal knowledge of the board.

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Surely an honest mistake. Just needs to be moved. Maybe Ron could contact someone to have it slid over to the right spot.
 
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Yup, this is an analog site. You can believe me that I am immersed in historic equipment, methods and techniques.

This is a 1910 Seneca 4x5 view camera I restored and use for my pinhole photographs.



This is my bathroom/darkroom with my 1930's Kodak enlarger. I love this old stuff.


However, the fact remains that if I want to share these pinhole photos, they must be converted to JPG. That means they must be digital.

For years I used a modified home scanner, with its limited photo sensor resolution to convert my pinhole photos or negatives to JPG. Finally I discovered that instead the limited resolution of the scanner, I could use the photo sensor in my camera to covert my pinhole film photos to JPGs. It gives a far more accurate reproduction of the film's pinhole image.

I supposed it is true, that once digitized the image could be manipulated with post processing, but to what purpose? The objective is to show what can be done with a pinhole camera. In my case, I am trying to emulate the early photographers. Many others look at pinholes as an interesting art form.

So, if anyone has a better method of uploading a film photo to a computer, I would like hear about try it.

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Gee whiz, folks... let’s not be so parochial. If it weren’t for scanning there would be NOTHING to show on an all-analog forum!
 

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Hey Gramps... I’m refitting a 1906-1910 Kodak for panoramic photography.

The painters tape holding the new film guides is temporary. Somewhere in the garage is some metallic duct tape!

 

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Back in the day, when APUG was totally analog, it was always permissible to discuss the issue of how one could upload scans to APUG.
The point that I think AgX is making is that this thread should be in the scanning section of Photrio, not an analog film section of Photrio.
So it is a request to move the thread, not eliminate it.
 

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I'm having a hard time keeping my mouth shut on this one... @AgX that was a dick move.
 

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Andrew O'Neill said:
A dick move? Why? Was it how he phrased it?
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Firstly, it was in fact worded quite harshly. Secondly, he is not the forum police. If it needs to be moved a moderator will do so, but no one should be telling anyone else that they or their posting is not welcomed here unless it is a blatant departure from forum rules.
 

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Sadly some of the purists here can be overly direct. But... I do not have a problem with people telling others if it's done politely.
 

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ChristopherCoy said:
@AgX that was a dick move.
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ChristopherCoy said:
Firstly, it was in fact worded quite harshly. Secondly, he is not the forum police.
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Andrew O'Neill said:
Sadly some of the purists here can be overly direct.
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-) Moderators lately no longer react on my reports on moving a thread to another forum (reported for whatever reason, thus not necessarily analog/digital). Thus I chose to react in the thread.


-) Due to current circumstances I spend a lot of time at Apug and thus feel obliged to report things, that may slip the attention of modersators who may spend les time here.
That we hardly got spammers here likely is also the result of such reporting.

-) I do not see my comment more hash than that of the OP, concerning "tribal knowledge", on which I replied..

-) The reply to be not parochial is common here, but just this increasing stand of letting things go is diluting the Apug part of Photrio.
I know that I am not the only one that got this impression, but seemingly I am the only one still daring to say so.
 
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Let me pose a question. So what?

What or who would truly be harmed if no one reacts to one thread being in the wrong place of the forum?
 

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Why then there are regularly requests for yet another forum?
 

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ChristopherCoy said:
Let me pose a question. So what?

What or who would truly be harmed if no one reacts to one thread being in the wrong place of the forum?
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Sorry Christopher, but I cannot agree.
There are benefits that flow from the structure here.
If you don't care whether hybrid and digital threads are found in the analog sections, then you don't care.
There are lots who do care, and that has a lot to do with the site being structured as it is, and why those people are here.
As for abruptness, I think that may partially be due to language issues.
 

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I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any structure. For starters however, this was a borderline post from a guy with "grandpa" in his screen name, which suggests he might not be as forum and computer savvy as the rest of us. But all that aside, no one has any business telling anyone else that their post isn't welcome, language issues or not.
 
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Gentlemen, let's remember that when fighting the alligators, the objective is to drain the swamp.

Again, I my objective was to show the group a method if improving the quality of converting a pinhole negatives or positives to a JPGs.

What happened "back in the day with APUG" is irrelevant to my objective. As someone my age is all to often reminded, we no longer live "back in the day". The fact is, there are far faster and better ways to do things.

Personally, I doubt that very many of the posts on this board use APUG (what ever that is). If the objective is to disseminate pinhole photos and techniques on a computer monitor, there may be a dozen methods, but JPG is quick and easy. As much as I like the feel and stink of analog film processing; I have found that no matter how long I hold my breath, I cannot stop progress.

BRIAN,
Total removed from the above opinion exchanges, I think your panoramic modifications are a neat idea. You will have to post the results.
 

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I'll be happy to comment on the scanning question if the thread is moved.
 

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AgX said:
This is a 100% analog forum you posted in.

Knowledge of digitisation is not welcome here.
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Then please ban all uploaded photos. To my knowledge, it is impossible to upload an image with 100% analog processes.
 

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Folks - AgX is referring to the particular sub-forum, not Photrio in general!
Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be any moderators on duty right now. Otherwise, I expect that the thread would have been moved by now.
 

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MattKing said:
Folks - AgX is referring to the particular sub-forum, not Photrio in general!
Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be any moderators on duty right now. Otherwise, I expect that the thread would have been moved by now.
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The point being that there are indeed, many digital photos that have been uploaded to the "100% Analog Forum" called "Pinhole Photography".

AgX came across, intentionally or not, as hostile-- and nothing in Ron's post was about digital photography, it was about the best way to display the results of that photography, on this forum.

You cannot display photos on a website without some number of bits being utilized in the process. I realize the post was about the process-- but does it then go into scanners and scanning, even though his conclusion was to not use a scanner? Does it go into digital imaging, even though it's silver gelatin pinhole photography? Does it go into "misc hybrid", which no one visits? Does my thread on "DSLR Imaging Problems" belong in the "scanners and scanning" forum?

This being a digital forum, on the digital internet, there's a lot of gray areas around here, and it seems to me that the "100% Analog" rule only applies when someone wants to exert influence over a thread. The rest of the time it gets ignored-- because no one has said "Hey, there are digital images in the Analog Only forums! That's not allowed!".

I know the goal is to keep this from turning into DPReview (and I support that goal!!) or similar, but there's a huge difference between "Hey, we'd like to keep this about analog processes only" and "Your post is not welcome here"-- the second implies the poster isn't welcome either.
 

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I know this is a discussion about semantics, but how to digitize something is a discussion about digitization, not about the "something" that is being digitized.
And that is a good subject for a thread about digitization, in an appropriate sub-forum.
AgX could have said what he said in a better way - "This thread belongs in the Misc. Hybrid Discussions sub-forum" comes to mind.
 

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You guys seem to have lost all interest in photography. Is posturing and bickering really that much fun?
 

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grat said:
... but there's a huge difference between "Hey, we'd like to keep this about analog processes only" and "Your post is not welcome here"-- the second implies the poster isn't welcome either.
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My point exactly, more eloquently expressed.
 
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