Why Rodinal? And at 1:200. I'm not sure there would be enough developer in solution.
I fail to understand the attraction that Rodinal receives to achieve fine grain. There are better developers to pick from in that regard, IMO.
Considering items 1 -3, I think HC-110 to be a better choice. I used Rodinal on and off for years with different films, additives, and dilutions and after all that I think that Rodinal is way over rated. Just my opinion not trying to start a brawl.
ADOX CMS developed in the ADOX developer. It will blow everything else out of the water and your scanning technique and scanner will be stressed, along with your camera optics. Scanned on a drum scanner and the detail and tonality are incredible. Very large prints can be made with no grain and nice tonal transitions. The results are much better and less grainy than TMAX-100 (though I have nothing against this film).
Don Bryant
Question is, will your camera optics and scanning support the detail of ADOX CMS?
Since I posted the initial question on this thread I have learned loads so thanks to everyone for contributing. Yesterday was a major turning point for me in achieving a real leap in quality. I shot a couple of rolls of PAN F50 at ISO25 in 120 format. I then developed them using Ilford ID11 using the recommended time and dilution. I have never had such detail in my negs before and there is virtually no grain even at 6400 dpi. I just can't believe the comparison between these negs and those from the lab.
My problem now is that the poor quality lens and resolving ability of my Epson V700 is quite evident. I think its time to look out for a drum scanner or rent some time on an Imacon.
Thanks so much to everyone for the advice.
... but then it wouldn't be a hybrid workflow"I think its time to look out for a drum scanner or rent some time on an Imacon."
or learn to print the negatives optically as was always intended
"I think its time to look out for a drum scanner or rent some time on an Imacon."
or learn to print the negatives optically as was always intended
"I think its time to look out for a drum scanner or rent some time on an Imacon."
or learn to print the negatives optically as was always intended
As Ray points out, the main purpose for negatives is to be printed on enlargers...
Make your case. I wouldn't want to be on this side of the debate
Ok
in my world every negative that I have worked on has been enlarged.
lately this also means scanning and upsizing to Lambda output.
This past month we processed over 100 Jobo runs filled with 8x10, 4x5 and 120 from a few sources.
The bulk of these runs are intended for fibre based prints enlarged in my darkroom.
Certain clients demand that these prints are done this way, which in 2009 moving forward seems to be going against the grain.
I will admit that the bulk of work today is not done this way but I still seem to be in the wet darkroom printing show work on enlarger, which as I said really , shocks me.
Actually I am quite happy I kept my darkroom and be on this side of the debate.
We also make wet prints from digital files which though still in its infancy , shows promise.
For about a hundred years now folks have been making photographs by means that were definitely never intended, or even envisioned. These bastard methodologies have of course corrupted many otherwise fine and decent human beings.
You have neatly dodged my challengeI thought you and Ray are
claiming that the most correct handling of negatives is optical enlargement.
If I misstate then my apologies.
If your aim is to make 60" prints then I agree, a dedicated film scanner is the right tool for the job.pschwart, to answer your earlier point regarding the limitations of my V700, I tend to do most of my scanning on a Minolta 5400 and the difference in quality is very noticeable. I am also intending to make large prints. A 6x7 scan at 3200 dpi is coming in around 28" wide and looks OK if a little soft. I am really aiming for a sharp 60" print. Why? Because I like to challenge myself.
I can't speak for Ray, never met him
but speaking straight from my heart.
after viewing thousand of prints over the last few years I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing like a well printed *enlarged* negative in a wet darkroom using Black and White paper.
This is my personal opinion , I am quite happy being on this side of the fence. I currently work in many hybrid workflows and am trying to learn some of the contact processes with the help of PS and my negatives off the Lambda.
The only prints that I have seen that completely inspire me beyond silver prints are the carbon prints I saw this year by that southern gentleman Mr King. The quality of the shadow areas is IMO not possible with silver but I believe that silver beats carbon in the highlights.*just an observation which once again is my own personal belief.)
I also hear Keith Carter prints are spectacular in Tri Colour Gum and I really want to give this a go, I am sure I am opening myself for a whole can of whoopass by doing so, and I have seen colour carbon prints that fall into the realm of breath taking by John Bentley. His process is mind boggling difficult but when working well are truly outstanding.
Platinum Prints do not fall into a realm that inspires me though I know it is the medium of choice for many workers.
Azo prints quite frankly never impressed me but they seem to inspire awe in some.
Inkjet - well I am going to hell for saying this are HO HUM and I have never seen one that is awe inspiring. If one listens to ink printers talk you'd think otherwise but the mere fact of the ink spreading and mushing together says it all for me.
One thing I saw that I saw at the same time as I viewed Mr Kings work, were gum over platinums... they were beauty's
I have stated I do not like platinum prints as much as silver, but the thought of Gum Over Silver , now there is a winning combination.
So now that I have put my go..ads on the fence, how about you .. please pick sides and make your case.
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The Epson V700 has *maximum* effective resolution of about 2300 ppi. That is, you can scan a MF negative at 6400 ppi but the real resolution is only about 2300 ppi, or 45 lp/mm. I own this scanner and have tested the resolution several times with a resolution target.
If you scan a 6X7 cm negative with the V700 the maximum print size you can get, without rezing up with interpolation, is about 18X22". That is not bad and in fact I don't often print larger from 6X7cm. However, a maximum resolution of 2300 ppi leaves a lot of resolution on the film (usually) so anyone wanting to print larger would definitely do bettter with a dedicated film scanner, professional flatbed or drum scanner.
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