Ferrania news from Photopia 2023

[toulcaz31]

It seems Ferrania had people representing them at Photopia 2023 in Hamburg.

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks for the video. The whole video raises a lot more questions than it provides answers of any substance. He is having to repeat what he seems to be suggesting was what he was told by a Ferrania person in the Ferrania booth It's all very numb and vague

pentaxuser

 

[markjwyatt]

Interesting too that he failed to mention Ferrania Orto.

 

[toulcaz31]

Thanks for the video. The whole video raises a lot more questions than it provides answers of any substance. He is having to repeat what he seems to be suggesting was what he was told by a Ferrania person in the Ferrania booth It's all very numb and vague

pentaxuser

Well for those who could not attend such events, I think they can appreciate someone relays what he heard from them. We are all very sorry it does not meet your expectations and that no one from Ferrania shared their detailed Gantt charts and opened their books for you...

 

[Agulliver]

Does he say anything of interest? I listened to the first 3 minutes and it was just a re-tread of the woes following the Kickstarter.

 

[toulcaz31]

Does he say anything of interest? I listened to the first 3 minutes and it was just a re-tread of the woes following the Kickstarter.

He mentioned few things:
- P30 most recent production in matte boxes might rate closer to ISO 100 than earlier production
- Mention of a P33 B&W film that would rate at ISO 400
- Their chemists are back at working on color film now B&W and in-house conversion enables a sustainable revenue stream for them

 

[Agulliver]

@toulcaz31 Thank you that's all good to know.

The original 1950s P33 was ISO 320 but if they've "boosted" P30 to ISO 100, then a 400 would make sense. Though the market is quite saturated, we are not short of ISO 400 B&W films, I do like the P30 I have shot.

 

[Mackinaw]

He mentioned few things:
- P30 most recent production in matte boxes might rate closer to ISO 100 than earlier production
- Mention of a P33 B&W film that would rate at ISO 400
- Their chemists are back at working on color film now B&W and in-house conversion enables a sustainable revenue stream for them

Very interesting. Thanks for your report. Crossing my fingers all/some actually happens.

Jim B.

 

[pentaxuser]

Well for those who could not attend such events, I think they can appreciate someone relays what he heard from them. We are all very sorry it does not meet your expectations and that no one from Ferrania shared their detailed Gantt charts and opened their books for you...

It was not your fault that it was numb and vague and did not seem to give any real answers to how much credence we can give to what was a simply a regurgitation of what he was told and seemingly without the chance to ask any questions

My comments were my reaction to what I thought when I had heard what he had to say.

pentaxuser

 

[mshchem]

Why do people keep beating up Ferrania about the Kickstarter campaign? Think how much money and time the local, regional and EU folks have spent.

I hope it all works out that something sustainable comes from this. These people might end up supplying cassettes, spools, film, paper who knows.

I will try and watch, later.

 

[cmacd123]

Why do people keep beating up Ferrania about the Kickstarter campaign? Think how much money and time the local, regional and EU folks have spent.

I hope it all works out that something sustainable comes from this. These people might end up supplying cassettes, spools, film, paper who knows.

Indeed, it seems like Ferrania is the ONLY one who has the current technology to make reuseable - DX coded Cassettes at the moment. (although I I opened did have a part bent out of place.)

the kickstarted is gone, and we are left with a start of a company.

NOW, on another coment, I do remember P33 at 160 ASA and that was well after the ASA doubling. of course they can make what they want and call it whatever they want. P36 might be closer.

the picture is from a very old british market ad, so the old Pound Pricing, and note that at the time Ferrania also offered "Refills"

 

[mshchem]

Indeed, it seems like Ferrania is the ONLY one who has the current technology to make reuseable - DX coded Cassettes at the moment. (although I I opened did have a part bent out of place.)

the kickstarted is gone, and we are left with a start of a company.

NOW, on another coment, I do remember P33 at 160 ASA and that was well after the ASA doubling. of course they can make what they want and call it whatever they want. P36 might be closer.

the picture is from a very old british market ad, so the old Pound Pricing, and note that at the time Ferrania also offered "Refills"

The refills at 3s 11p sounds like a great deal. Of course I think the dollar (US) was trading at nearly 4 USD to UK pound so it's hard to say.

 

[Agulliver]

Ah I was thinking of P36, not P33 earlier.

I'm unsure that the market specifically needs another 35mm or 120 400ISO B&W panchromatic film but all power to them if they bring out another product. Maybe there will be some other unique selling point, after all P30 really does behave differently to other films in that low/medium speed class. One thing is that every new emulsion they perfect is progress towards further goals, and the more film they sell the quicker they'll conduct their research into the colour film. I might buy some P33 or whatever emerges, depending on price.

Speaking purely personally, I'd really like the chance to try P30 (80 or 100ASA) on std 8mm 25/30 foot spools. But that really is a niche within a niche within a niche and likely they'd do 127 first

Why do people keep going on about the Kickstarter? Because those people completely misunderstood what they were putting money into and won't admit it. There. I said it.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Why do people keep beating up Ferrania about the Kickstarter campaign?

Entirely their fault at how they've handled and keep handling things, including pricing for a iffy film, albeit full of character - the sour aftertaste is not to be washed away very easily.

That said I have similar hopes and wish them well

 

[Rudeofus]

Entirely their fault at how they've handled and keep handling things, including pricing for a iffy film, albeit full of character - the sour aftertaste is not to be washed away very easily.

This high price is what it costs to make film in the quantities currently used. It's a boutique product, not the mass product from the 90ies, some of which made it into this century until Kodak collapsed. As long as people are willing to pay these high prices, there will be a variety of products for different creative needs.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

I see this differently - iffy product that keeps changing under the hood, only indicators being an effin blog post, a matte box or a video by a YouTuber - no official data, no characteristics PDF to be found, marketing speach only. Attitude-wise they could've kept the Alpha tag to indicate the ever changing nature of their product...
Meanwhile Ilford, for example, offer stable, quality films for 1/3 or even half the price (Kentmere as APX, RPX and whatnot). Add Foma to the picture - similarly fluid quality - for half the price.
Meanwhile Adox can offer reworked Aviphot 80 for pennies, for which I'm grateful.

Go figure.

But I understand - they can do and charge whatever they want, I just rate the "Kodak price bracket" Ferrania is engaging in, as being strange
I'll repeat - I'm glad that another coater exists. I just wish that they just pulled some heads out of some dark spaces so that I could hear them clearly.

 

[Agulliver]

when Film Ferrania regularly posted here, and elsewhere, and posted regular videos on their site and social media....they were very open and honest about the problems they faced - which were 90% not of their making.

And they were lambasted, even abused, for that honest picture they painted. They were called liars, frauds - and still are on social medial whenever they poke their head above the parapet....by super-entitled adults acting like toddlers.

Is it any wonder they no longer engage with us? I don't ****ing blame them for one moment.

I *would* like an official line on the supposed speed increase of P30 to 100ISO. But I am assuming that stock hasn't hit the shelves yet.

 

[LeoniD]

Did anyone else notice this? "Color" on one of the cassettes

 

[pentaxuser]

Did anyone else notice this? "Color" on one of the cassettes

It's difficult to see but this looks to be the case on the bottom cassette only and looks to be handwritten in a thick felt tip pen rather than professionally printed. However that's only my interpretation of what I think I see. Others may see it differently

The top one says "steal you face"; the second one "R Mc l" the third "?" and fourth as you say is "Color" It looks like someone was just doodling on the cassettes with a black ink felt-tip pen

pentaxuser

 

[LeoniD]

It's difficult to see but this looks to be the case on the bottom cassette only and looks to be handwritten in a thick felt tip pen rather than professionally printed. However that's only my interpretation of what I think I see. Others may see it differently

The top one says "steal you face"; the second one "R Mc l" the third "?" and fourth as you say is "Color" It looks like someone was just doodling on the cassettes with a black ink felt-tip pen

pentaxuser

Well, all 4 are brown, and usually only color film is brown

 

[mshchem]

Probably just trying to remember what they took pictures of.

 

[cmacd123]

Well, all 4 are brown, and usually only color film is brown

that is what I am thinking....

 

[Agulliver]

They've clearly given a bunch of test films to a somewhat well known street photographer. Presumably we'll see what he's done with them, in good time. But that post definitely teased "colour". Whether this is something highly experimental or whether they're close to perfecting it is anyone's guess.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

when Film Ferrania regularly posted here, and elsewhere, and posted regular videos on their site and social media....they were very open and honest about the problems they faced - which were 90% not of their making.

It is what it is in the cesspool of Social Media. Posting data on their product and communicating via official channel's about the fluctuating nature of their product - another matter entirely, but I digress and love what P30 does.

 

[Rudeofus]

It is what it is in the cesspool of Social Media. Posting data on their product and communicating via official channel's about the fluctuating nature of their product - another matter entirely, but I digress and love what P30 does.

Your judgement of this film sort of reminds me of this joke about Harley Davidson's motorcycles in the 90ies: "They're loud, they vibrate, they're unreliable, why would anyone want a Harley?". Some may remember the answer, and it may also be a suitable answer to "Why would anyone want to shoot such a grainy, low ISO, inconsistent and hard to buy film?"