f250 and 0.2 mm for 4 x 5. Is it the best?

Machinery

A
Machinery

  • 0
  • 0
  • 17
Cafe art.

A
Cafe art.

  • 0
  • 0
  • 42
Sheriff

A
Sheriff

  • 0
  • 0
  • 36
WWPPD2025-01-scaled.jpg

A
WWPPD2025-01-scaled.jpg

  • 3
  • 1
  • 70
Shannon Falls.jpg

D
Shannon Falls.jpg

  • 3
  • 0
  • 95

Forum statistics

Threads
198,084
Messages
2,769,391
Members
99,560
Latest member
ujjwal
Recent bookmarks
0

norm123

Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
278
Location
Montréal
Format
Multi Format
Hi

I am new in pinhole photography. I just got a 4x5 pinhole camera with a 0.2 mm hole size, f250 and a focal of 50mm.

I began to read about pinhole photography and I think that my best hole size should be 0.3 mm.

Is there an optimum combo for focal/hole size? or format/hole size?

I'm a bit confused for now.

Regards

Normand
 
Last edited by a moderator:

ciniframe

Member
Joined
Jul 3, 2014
Messages
803
Format
Sub 35mm
Are you sure the focal length is 250mm? A 10 inch focal length? That's a short tele angle of view on a 4X5, roughly the same as 75mm on 35mm cropped to to the same aspect ratio. If it is, then the f ratio would be f1250, that is going to translate into some long exposures, even for pinhole. If I were building a pinhole with that FL then I go for a 0.5mm pinhole working at f500

Just my 2 cents.
 
OP
OP
norm123

norm123

Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
278
Location
Montréal
Format
Multi Format
Are you sure the focal length is 250mm? A 10 inch focal length? That's a short tele angle of view on a 4X5, roughly the same as 75mm on 35mm cropped to to the same aspect ratio. If it is, then the f ratio would be f1250, that is going to translate into some long exposures, even for pinhole. If I were building a pinhole with that FL then I go for a 0.5mm pinhole working at f500

Just my 2 cents.

I'm sorry the focal lenght is 50mm
 

DWThomas

Subscriber
Joined
Jun 13, 2006
Messages
4,603
Location
SE Pennsylvania
Format
Multi Format
Hmmm do you mean a "focal" length of 250mm or an f-stop of 250? If it is the pinhole-to-film distance, I agree with ciniframe.

In my earlier 4x5 pinhole setup I used a .46mm pinhole at about 175 mm pinhole-to-film distance (approx f/375). This was in a press camera where I could vary the pinhole-to-film distance easily, but a series of tests showed a broad range of usable dimensions.

Later I built a fixed distance box with a 62mm film to pinhole distance and a 0.30 mm pinhole, about f/210. This is a fairly wide angle of view and was/is a pretty satisfactory camera; more so than the earlier attempt. I also think I did a better job of fabricating the actual pinhole (the earlier was in soda can sidewall blackened with marker, the latter in 1 mil brass shim stock chemically blackened).

There are some calculators (Pinhole Designer and Mr. Pinhole {who needs to rethink his color scheme!}) available to work out pinhole designs and a bunch of resources at the Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day site.

EDIT: I missed your response while digging up data .... 0.20mm is probably a reasonable pinhole; I believe there is a tradeoff between edge-to-edge and center sharpness when optimizing the hole, but you should be in the ballpark for decent results.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

ciniframe

Member
Joined
Jul 3, 2014
Messages
803
Format
Sub 35mm
Yeah, for a 50mm focal length then a 0.2mm diameter pinhole working at f250 should be OK.
 

NedL

Subscriber
Joined
Aug 23, 2012
Messages
3,376
Location
Sonoma County, California
Format
Multi Format
I agree 0.2mm should be a good size for 50mm "focal" length. Maybe 0.25 for color film, but erring on the side of slightly too small is probably better than 0.3mm.
 

Jim Jones

Subscriber
Joined
Jan 16, 2006
Messages
3,740
Location
Chillicothe MO
Format
Multi Format
.2mm is a bit small, but try it out. You might like the results. If your camera permits swapping pinholes without too much trouble, experiment. Pinhole photography thrives on experimenting, as there is room for widely varied personal preferences.
 

NedL

Subscriber
Joined
Aug 23, 2012
Messages
3,376
Location
Sonoma County, California
Format
Multi Format
Absolutely agree with the previous 2 posts. On another forum I was just mentioning that I usually don't measure them if they are somewhere in the right ballpark... it's fun to just try them and see if I like them. I'm almost sure that my favorites are not "optimal", they just make pictures I like.
 

bergytone

Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2014
Messages
168
Location
Grand Haven,
Format
Multi Format
I agree with Ned... optimum is a matter of opinion, in the sense of: does it give you the image you are looking for? Normand, try the pinhole you have and see if you like the results. Its a starting point, and once you see the results, go from there. Read everything you can on APUG and F295 (if you can get in) by posters like NedL and Joe VanCleave and most of all, have fun with it. I'm still at the very front end of my pinhole learning curve... trying to get some nice images by next WWPD so I can be ready to shoot on that day. But most of all, don't get too technical, be experimental and have fun with it.
 
OP
OP
norm123

norm123

Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2010
Messages
278
Location
Montréal
Format
Multi Format
Thank you everybody.

I'll put some sheets in the soup during the weekend.
 
Photrio.com contains affiliate links to products. We may receive a commission for purchases made through these links.
To read our full affiliate disclosure statement please click Here.

PHOTRIO PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Ilford ADOX Freestyle Photographic Stearman Press Weldon Color Lab Blue Moon Camera & Machine
Top Bottom