Expired Kodak Vision3 500T 35mm

igorblackbox · Jun 21, 2017

Hello,

I want to buy Kodak Vision3 500T/7219 35mm 400ft to shoot it with my Nikon F3. My only concern is that the film was made in 2010 and stored in refrigerator. Also customs officers in my country are sh**, what would happen if they put the can trough xray? I dont know very much about motion picture and their expiry dates. I wll be very gratefull for some tips using this film, what results to expect due to exp date etc.

Thank you very much.

SuXarik · Jun 21, 2017

Well, it's lottery.
Are you 100% sure it was stored properly? If not it can be pretty bad. Xray in airport actually won't do anything to film. It's not 80s. New xray machines are pretty good.
I had vision2 500t, developed in c-41, but with all standards regarding the process. It is very reticulated, probably because of bad storage. The date looks the same as you mentioned or close to it.
My friend on the other hand had normal result with the same film, bought from different supplier.

This is the bad reticulated 500T:

trendland · Jun 21, 2017

igorblackbox said:
Hello,

I want to buy Kodak Vision3 500T/7219 35mm 400ft to shoot it with my Nikon F3. My only concern is that the film was made in 2010 and stored in refrigerator. Also customs officers in my country are sh**, what would happen if they put the can trough xray? I dont know very much about motion picture and their expiry dates. I wll be very gratefull for some tips using this film, what results to

igorblackbox said:

Hello,

Motion Picture Films should not be x-rayed.
But to me it is a need to avoid this to any film.
Here we have an adittion : expired films
(7 years)

If you asked me it is depending to the price.

How many 135-36 films will you get from a roll of 400ft ?

4 x 20 films - am I right ?

What is the price you would pay to a simple film with such colors you can see from above?

For me it will be $ 0,50 at a max.

So it should be a serious offer to $ 40,-

But I personaly would not like to have
80 strange color films.

I would perhaps have fun with 5 of such
films.Ok let us say max. 10 films .

So it is ok to pay $5,- to a can with 400ft.

Other calculation : Only every 6th can of Motion Picture Film is freezed in reality !

Beware of this stuff out of private hands.
Often it is dealed several times on ebay again and again.
I've seen cheap offers from 1990 on Ebay?
(THEY ARE NIE AVAIBLE ON FPP SIDES)
.

What is a good price to you to one correct 135-36 film ? Let's say $3,- ?
$3,- x 80 = $ 240,- : 6 = $40,-

In the first calculation we should pay
a max. of $ 40,- my calculation is at
$ 5,- the last is at $ 40,- again.

Now it is to you.....

with regards

PS: With cheap offers to expired films
on Ebay you should be a good business
man - or you should be a hard gambler.

PS : Remember the ramjet I was very
impressed from at the begining but after
a while I would not care to much about.
It is not a very great problem.
You will also need EPN2 but to cheap films (expired) ...???...why not c-41 !!

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trendland · Jun 21, 2017

SuXarik said:
Well, it's lottery.
Are you 100% sure it was stored properly? If not it can be pretty bad. Xray in airport actually won't do anything to film. It's not 80s. New xray machines are pretty good.
I had vision2 500t, developed in c-41, but with all standards regarding the process. It is very reticulated, probably because of bad storage. The date looks the same as you mentioned or close to it.
My friend on the other hand had normal result with the same film, bought from different supplier.

This is the bad reticulated 500T:

You 2. shot looks not so bad as the first
color experiments from 1904.

with regards

railwayman3 · Jun 21, 2017

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on 400 ft of any film which was 7 years outdated....it's a lot of film to use up if it proves not to be good ! Refrigeration helps storage, of course (if it really has been stored properly, including a sealed tin to prevent any condensation), although I believe that movie film is rather like the old "Professional" still films, which were released on balance and ready to be used promptly ? (PE could confirm that ?)

X-rays might be a gamble....generally the Xray machines used on passengers hand-baggage film seem to be OK these days, but (without claiming any knowledge of what type are used by customs and postal services) I'd be a bit concerned given the amount of film which you could lose through damage. (One one hand, I've bought fresh and older, rarer, films by mail from several countries, including Eastern Europe, with no problems. But, OTOH, a film sent by mail for processing in Germany was damaged by Xrays!)

Cholentpot · Jun 21, 2017

I use V3,500T that I bought from an APUG user. Works great although the REMJET is a pain. I'm not sure how out of date it was. It also has a great smell that other films don't have.

chassis · Jun 21, 2017

Cholentpot, nice rose. What is your process for removing remjet?

Cholentpot · Jun 21, 2017

chassis said:
Cholentpot, nice rose. What is your process for removing remjet?

Baking Soda [Not Washing Soda] About a tablespoon at developing temps before developing. Into tank full of 102 degree water and shake it hard for 30 seconds. full and dump until clear. After blix before stab take out of reel, hang, and run a glasses cleaning cloth or something soft down the film soak in photo flow water and wipe until cloth is clear. Stab and done.

Kodak films have a much tougher coating to remove than Fuji. It's very stubborn. Fuji's washes right off.

chassis · Jun 21, 2017

Thanks! Do you reload the film on the reel to go into the stabilizer bath? And when you say "fill and dump until clear", are you refilling with baking soda solution, or plain water? I appreciate your comments.

Cholentpot · Jun 21, 2017

chassis said:
Thanks! Do you reload the film on the reel to go into the stabilizer bath? And when you say "fill and dump until clear", are you refilling with baking soda solution, or plain water? I appreciate your comments.

I reload onto the reel while wet and put back into the Patterson tank and pour in the stab, but I guess if you can't, you can stab the film anyway you'd like.

I'm leaving the soda in with agitation for 30 seconds to a minute. After I rise till clear with straight water.

The film must be scrubbed somehow or another after the blix. Some people wash it under running water using their fingers to rub off the REM. I find that the only way to get everything off is with a soft cleaning rag or a sponge of some sort.

The film performs very well. I started rating it at about 600 and because I scan I ditched the filter. I color correct in post. This shot was at 800 and was not pushed in development.

This was @ 400, no filter no push or pull

chassis · Jun 22, 2017

Thanks again.

igorblackbox · Jun 22, 2017

Thank you very much for the answers, ive ordered a 200ft sealed can from reelgood. My only concern now is the xray, so i will gamble. I will be rolling the film by hand in the bathroom, cant wait. Love the colors of Vision3

trendland · Jun 24, 2017

railwayman3 said:
I wouldn't spend a lot of money on 400 ft of any film which was 7 years outdated....it's a lot of film to use up if it proves not to be good ! Refrigeration helps storage, of course (if it really has been stored properly, including a sealed tin to prevent any condensation), although I believe that movie film is rather like the old "Professional" still films, which were released on balance and ready to be used promptly ? (PE could confirm that ?)

X-rays might be a gamble....generally the Xray machines used on passengers hand-baggage film seem to be OK these days, but (without claiming any knowledge of what type are used by customs and postal services) I'd be a bit concerned given the amount of film which you could lose through damage. (One one hand, I've bought fresh and older, rarer, films by mail from several countries, including Eastern Europe, with no problems. But, OTOH, a film sent by mail for processing in Germany was damaged by Xrays!)

That is the most importance to expired Motion Picture Film railwayman 3 - you stated this !
Just be sure 100% that fresh M.P.F. or let us also say cinefilm has fabulous excellent condition when it is in production on filming location.
Be sure it is 100% well stored and excellent used during production (4 - 6 weeks) this sort of film would also have
100% of its characteristics when it would be stored within 4 weeks with
only 80% care but you will not see this.
The exposed rolls of this films were ALWAYS used with an addition of 500% care.
But from our interest is - what is the normal storage condition after filming when the production is finished.
The cans were located in the production
caravan of the 1.production manager.
He decides what to do with film wich were not in use.It is depending to the ammound.
Are there 29 cans 400ft/1000ft rolls to be left over ?

He will care about not so much because
they are now "recans" - perhaps he will
forget the cans sometimes : "Oh the rest of our films - just forgetting " !
"I should ask one of our drivers tomorrow to transport the cans to the
retailer."
Because this is done from basic calculations : 29 recans 400ft/1000ft are still expansive.

What wiĺl normaly happen to just 2 cans?
Lets say 1/3 can 1000ft and one full can
(unopened) 400ft ?
No drivers are avaible ! No one will care
about.
Normaly the 3. camera assistent will got
this stoff to take at home.
"Anybody here who needs film ? Drivers what is with you ??? No response ? Come on guys where is the director of photography - here are two of his cans he don't wanted to use.He is always wasting my money. Where is he - he should take this stuff out of my caravan - I don't need this here !!!! "
The answer is allways : "The D.O.P. is on next location since yesterday - should he
call back ?"
Two cans film began an odyssee and after weeks at summer temperatures they possible may find there way first to ebay.
The most important fact on recans is the production date of filming production.
If you have it and it is not far behind
(less than 3 - 6 month) you can have a hope that this cinefilm is just exzellent.
But only one full week stored somewhere
in hot temperatured caravans - as a forgotten object causes exactly the kind
of colors we saw here sometimes on APUG as a bad example.

with regards

trendland · Aug 9, 2017

Cholentpot said:
I use V3,500T that I bought from an APUG user. Works great although the REMJET is a pain. I'm not sure how out of date it was. It also has a great smell that other films don't have.

Coming again to color shiftings cholentpot - so as we can see this here. Sometimes it is realy not soo bad to have a little diferent color look and to me it is more interesting.
Because the way of digital manipulation is possible to grandma too with some clicks.
A very special color " note" with some films is not easy to imitate from others......

with regards

Cholentpot · Aug 9, 2017

trendland said:
Coming again to color shiftings cholentpot - so as we can see this here. Sometimes it is realy not soo bad to have a little diferent color look and to me it is more interesting.
Because the way of digital manipulation is possible to grandma too with some clicks.
A very special color " note" with some films is not easy to imitate from others......

with regards

I like the color shifts. Believe it or not some films cannot be corrected no matter how much digital manipulation there is. Expired Portra 160NC is a pain to correct. Gold and Max are easy as pie.

lantau · Aug 9, 2017

igorblackbox said:
Hello,

I want to buy Kodak Vision3 500T/7219 35mm 400ft

The 35mm film is 5219. 7219 is 16mm. Make sure you are going to buy the correct film!

Expired Kodak Vision3 500T 35mm

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