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ever been to Italy?

Genova is a different city - with magnificent 16th century palaces crammed into a mediaeval harbour town. I staed there for a few days two years ago, and the contrasts are stunning. The hotel we stayed in was one of those (former) palaces, our room had a stunning ceiling fresco. Right outside was a major through road, a railway station, and two blocks down you were in the real harbour. In the other direction are the cliffs, with stunning views and strange museums. And I spent an interesting half hour conversing with a former press photographer who recognised my Speed Graphic for what it was - but he spoke only Genovese, and I speak hardly any Italian at all.
 
thanks for all the responses everyone! Now I'm going to spend some time researching all the places you've mentioned. I'm only going for 10 days, so now I really need to plan my itinerary well. From the sounds of it though, it looks like I'll be able to find some great shots no problem. I picked up an Italian phrases book so I'll be able to find my way walking around and ordering food. It has a small section on photography terms, but does anyone know any useful photo phrases I'll most likely have to use over there? I'm planning on taking pictures of some local people using my speed graphic, so I'm sure I'm going to get into a lot of conversations about the dinosaur of a camera I'm holding.
 
Actually, in the three cities you mentioned, you will probably have little problem getting by with English. In some less touristy places a phrase book might be handy. And of course in any country, knowing equivalents for yes, no, hello, goodbye and thank you can warm up contacts. On the previously mention trip, we took a day trip to Cremona, a great center of violin making (my wife and I have both dabbled a bit in stringed instruments). There is a museum there with examples by the greatest makers of all time, plus a collection of many of the tools and patterns used by Stradivari. There all the legends were in italiano, period. In the Uffizi gallery in Firenze, they had laminated cards in racks near the entrance to each gallery, available in about 30 different languages.

I may not have quite gotten the full experience, as we were traveling with a niece who did her senior year of high school over there and had lived with an Italian family for about six months so we had a full time translator. I was able to order meals and purchase some film in Italian with an extremely limited vocabulary, and made a point to do so. At the time they had only been on the Euro for a couple of months and we occasionally had the experience of a clerk adding up a number with a six-digit total (of lire), then converting to a dozen or so Euros. A bit of a jaw dropper when a couple of trinkets first showed as 337,450! By our 2005 trek, they were fully on board with the Euro.

DaveT
 
In Firenze, thinking of the language issue, I have a couple rather humorous stories. As a primer for this, if you know Spanish (I'm on the rusty side of fluent), you've got something in the order of 25% of Italian covered. Not so much the other way round.

On the Piazza della Signoria, there is a little lunch place that sold panini and pasta. I went in for lunch, and did my best to order in Italian: "Une con salchiccha, per favore". In only modestly accented English, the clerk fired back, "That'll be 3500 Lira". She must have heard the Yankee under the Spanish accent, and had enough American tourists through to be able to spot me a mile away.

I went to this little restaurant not far from my hotel, which I picked in part because they had their menu posted out front in five different languages, including English. When I entered, the maitre d' seated me and gave me an Italian language menu, then zipped off to take care of an already seated table. Since, as previously noted, Spanish is not terribly far from Italian, I was able to read the menu reasonably well, and figured out what I wanted. When he returned to take my order, I asked in my attempt at Italian if he had an English menu, thinking if we had a problem communicating, I could always point out the item in question. I never got the chance to put forth the WHY clause to my inquiry. He snatched the Italian menu from me with a look of abject horror on his face, raced back with an English menu and left me to sit for another fifteen minutes before returning. I did my best to order in Italian, which won me a new friend for the night. The rest of the evening he doted on me, making sure everything was ok, being more solicitous than he was with his other customers. With dessert, a glass of grappa materialized on my table, but not on the bill. If you've not had grappa before, it's the distilled product of the fermented pressings of the leftover grape pulp from making wine. It's somewhere around 35-60% alcohol, and the good stuff is kinda like good vodka - it goes down smooth with little aftertaste, and has a distinctive but not unpleasant odor. Cheap grappa smells like industrial floor wax remover. This was GOOD grappa - very smooth, pleasant-smelling for grappa.

My point is that by attempting to speak Italian, no matter how fragmented, you'll earn HUGE brownie points, and the locals will go out of their way to take care of you.

On another note, I can pass along a restaurant recommendation - Il Latini (The Lantern), on Via Deli Palchetti 6R. It's in the basement, and a fantastic restaurant. Go early because you'll probably have to stand in line while you wait to get seated. If the weather is cold, the staff will emerge periodically with fresh slices of Parmesan or Asiago and cups of wine to keep you warm. You'll get seated wherever they can fit you in, with who knows who else at your table. Terrific camraderie - I ended up sitting with some Swiss, Italian and Japanese folks who did their best to include the lone American in their conversation. The restaurant is famous for their grilled meats - you can't go wrong with any of it, but if you want the Florentine Steak, come hungry - I haven't seen that much beef on a plate outside of Buenos Aires.
 
My point is that by attempting to speak Italian, no matter how fragmented, you'll earn HUGE brownie points, and the locals will go out of their way to take care of you.
My most depressing linguistic experience ever was at a restaurant in Pisa.

I'd managed to go the entire meal without speaking a word of English to the staff - I'm dreadful at languages but I always make an effort if only for the amusement of the locals wherever I am - and was feeling quite pleased with myself, until the very end of the meal after I'd paid.

The waiter come over and said something completely unintelligible. After asking him to repeat himself, I eventually had to give in and admit defeat.

With a crestfallen look he then said, in English, "I was just complimenting you on how good your Italian was!"


I was mortified .
 
As others have said, practically anywhere in Italy is good

Genova and the Ligurian area are under-rated, and it's worth visiting Genova just to see the motorway construction! The historic centre (Centro Storico) is one of the largest in the world. I loved my time living there.

Bologna, Ravenna, Siena, Pisa,.... ah, just pick a place at random! Avoid the tourist restaurants, and you'll eat well.
 
My wife and I are going to spend a week in Venice and a week in Florence this summer. I've been before (about 15 years ago as a student), but this will feel like a new experience.

I would like to take my MF camera, lenses and a truckload of film, but I'm just not sure it's worth it.
I print mostly in Platinum/Palladium and Gum. I usually make (please forgive me) digital negs. I've seen Kerik's gumover prints made from digi-negs and a Canon 5D, and also other people's work. Pretty darn nice. I usually like my stuff too! I'm just not sure I can justify carrying all that extra stuff. Before I get flamed here, let me explain a couple of other issues....
A year ago I had a double lung transplant. I'm going to have to carry an ENORMOUS amount of meds in my carry-on.
I would not check any camera equipment, so it will be carried on as well, whatever I choose to take.
So there you go.

My real reason for this post is to ask if anyone thinks I will get a huge hassle taking all these meds in a carry-on. One of the meds is in liquid form, so I will have several bottles with me. Also, insulin with the needles. I will have the prescriptions with me, of course. But is there anything else I should do, or I should know? Any advice?
Checking it is out of the question. Without my meds, I risk going into rejection. They must stay with me.

Thanks,
Steve
www.scdowellphoto.com
 
Only you can decide what to do. I confess most of my last two trips overseas were covered with the technology that cannot be mentioned. I was traveling with four other people and while I got quite respectable photo documentation of the trip, I did not consider it a major photographic expedition. I'm probably delusional, but still think I'll get back there again with a smaller party and more gear before I get too decrepit to carry the stuff.

As to medicines, one of my fellow travelers is diabetic and had an insulin pump and whatever goes with that; I don't recall that she had any problems. I think as long as your prescription meds are in the original properly marked containers you shouldn't have a problem. You might check some FAA and travel sites, but I'm pretty sure I've read of exceptions to the liquid rules for medications.

Enjoy your trip, those are two of the most amazing cities I have seen.

DaveT
 
Ask your doctor or pharmacist to write down the generic name for all the prescriptions. I think the brand names can be country specific.
 
Ask your doctor or pharmacist to write down the generic name for all the prescriptions. I think the brand names can be country specific.

You can fly with all your medication, including liquid and needles, in your hand luggage once you have a GP's letter on official headed notepaper stating that you're required to carry the medication for medical reasons, followed by a detailed list of all those that you'll be carrying with you.
As Nick says, just ask your doctor, they're used to doing these all the time, the only thing I would recommend is taking a couple of copies of it before you go... just in case.
You're visiting two of the most beautiful cities in the world in my opinion.. so enjoy every moment!
 
I endorse everything Síle says .


As mentioned earlier in the thread, I carry adrenaline hypodermics - 8 years ago this wasn't a problem at all, but these days you need that GP's letter; I had a decidedly unhappy experience at Rome airport when going through without one, although in fairness it was September 2001.

Also, in my opinion you absolutely *do not* let the first they know about it at the airport be when they see the needles on the x-ray. These days I'm completely upfront about telling anyone whether they care or not - at checkin, and again at security I always make sure to tell them before they scan the bags; I also take them out of the bag and put them in the coin trays so they're obvious and it's easy for them to inspect them if they want.

It might be worth learning/writing down on a cribsheets basic Italian phrases to explain what they're for as well - my experience is that the security folk are not necessarily fluent in English (mind you, I could say the same of JFK .) If of course you're fluent in Italian sorry for being patronising!


Anyway, basically carry a letter, be upfront rather than trying to smuggle them through without them noticing and you'll be absolutely fine. And as the man says, among the most beautiful cities in the world - you'll have a great time I'm sure!
 
Thanks for the replies folks. I do plan to take a letter and copy of prescriptions on with me. I'll need to do several "practice runs" to strategically get everything I need in a carry-on. Meds, camera gear, etc......
Oy Vey!
Steve
www.scdowellphoto.com
 
Revenna and Classe on the east coast of Italy. These two small towns are near Venice and have the best collection of Byzantine mosaics out side of Greece and Turkey.

Also nearby is San Marino. There you can order champane and shoot to cork into Italy.

Steve
 
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I agree with mr. headland about Ligria and and Genova...I had a olive oil import business from this area (world's largest producer of olive oil) and spent quite a bit of time in the small towns and villages...very underated and under touristed....there is also some wonderful cuisine that is solely from this area
Best, Peter
 
I don't know if this will work in other countries but twice in UK airports, faced with the check-in queue from hell, my party was directed towards the self-service check-in machines. I carry insulin and syringes, so when the screen gets to the question "Are you carrying any sharp objects?" I have to answer yes, at which point it tells me I can't continue and must speak to a customer service agent. Both times the agent has directed us straight to the business class checkin, bypassing the economy queue