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What about a contrast mask?
You could also make a decent-size low contrast print and rephotograph that, which could get you a higher contrast negative.
I've never made a mask. I assumed it would be tricky with a 35mm negative.
As far as your second suggestion, I hadn't thought of that, but if done carefully it could be good. I'd want the original grain to still be sharp (1970s Tri-X). I do have a Rolleiflex SLR and Macro lens. Thanks for the idea.
 

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Or, you could make a contact positive on ortho film, then contact this again onto ortho film, thus making a same size negative. Put the two together and print.
 

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Two suggestions. If you want to make a film copy negative especially for contact printing consider x-ray duplicating film. It is a reversal film so only one step from the original and it tends to be a little bit more contrasty. The other is that some subjects look better wet so you might carry a spray bottle of water.
I was once photographing something on a wall and as I was spraying it with water a police car pulled up and thought I was doing graffiti. I showed him it was water and explained why I was doing it. He approved and took off and it did improve the photograph.
 

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Or, you could make a contact positive on ortho film, then contact this again onto ortho film, thus making a same size negative. Put the two together and print.

Sounds good in theory, but I'm wondering if I could do this, maintaining the registration needed for sharpness.
 

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Well, if we are off into blue-sky ideas...

I have made enlarged negatives for alt-process using ortho lith film that was reversal processed. The reversal process lowers the contrast of lith film, making it into a sort of ersatz continuous tone material. I was rather surprised at how well it worked.
 

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Well, if we are off into blue-sky ideas...

I have made enlarged negatives for alt-process using ortho lith film that was reversal processed. The reversal process lowers the contrast of lith film, making it into a sort of ersatz continuous tone material. I was rather surprised at how well it worked.

How can ortho film suddenly become lith film? They are two different types of film.
 

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The x-ray duplicating film is like making a print.. Use as you would for a photographic paper enlargement. Emulsion up but turn the original negative (in the enlarger) emulsion up if enlarging for a contact print. The film is slow and since it is a reversal burning will result in a "lighter"negative = darker print and dodging a "darker" negative = lighter print. It's quite easy make a sectional test to determine time as you would a paper print. I've made many to do pt/pd prints with excellent results.

Several years ago I enlarged four of Mario Algaze's negatives and printed a limited edition series in pt/pd/au for him.
Twelve numbered, an ap and pp of each.


 

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How can ortho film suddenly become lith film? They are two different types of film.

Lith film is, for the most part, ortho film. I don't think anyone makes any panchromatic lith film anymore. I'm not sure anyone makes lith film, anymore, actually...
 

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Lith film is, for the most part, ortho film. I don't think anyone makes any panchromatic lith film anymore. I'm not sure anyone makes lith film, anymore, actually...

Since computers took over the world you are probably correct.
 

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hiroh, it sounds as if you might want to try the kind of contrast that Ferrania P30 seems to naturally produce?

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I've used multiple methods. To get maximum contrast out of a VC 54 blue-green cold light, there will be no practical distinction between a 47 blue filter and the denser 47B - you've gone as far as you can go in that respect (I've tested it).

Changing the negative - selenium intensification will gain you maybe half a grade.

Contrast-increase masking - works, but is an advanced skill, typically involving the double negative route.

Duplicating the neg on a high contrast medium - again, a double-negative path. First, you generate an interpositive on a versatile fine-grained film like TMax100 or FP4 and develop normally; then you enlarge (or contact print) that onto Ortho-Litho film, and use a moderately strong developer (I prefer HC-110 1:15 from stock). Arista Ortho Litho if fine, but this category of films is difficult to develop evenly (avoid either print developers like Dektol or intense A&B lith developers). I last used this technique about a month ago, converting a soft 6X9 color negative into a more dramatic black and white one.

In terms of a panchromatic high contrast film, the best of those was Tech Pan. I sold off all my remaining 8x10 sheets a year ago.
 
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