At what point do we stop thinking about the equipment and think only about the image? Does that time ever come for everyone, or are some of us doomed to dwell perpetually in equipment purgatory?
Not a thing. I'm divorced and better off for it. I do like girly pics but I keep my hands to myself.
If I had millions of dollars to spend freely I'm sure I would have many elaborate/complete systems from which to choose. Thank God I'm not a multi-millionaire because I would be one perverted photo gear fetishist and I wouldn't know which tool to play with.
I can't subscribe to your idea of "make up your mind what you want to shoot and learn how to shoot that and forget about shooting anything else". That seems a bit too narrow-minded for my taste. This is photography (an art form) we are talking about, not bootcamp. We grow by learning and experimenting. It's about expression, not supression.
So you are holding your own?? :confused:
Steve
The point is: If you don't have what it takes in the first place, the tools don't matter.
When I read something like this I wish that I had been born independently wealthy rather than be so damned incredibly handsome!
Steve
... but I also never got better when I bought stuff. ...
At what point do we stop thinking about the equipment and think only about the image? Does that time ever come for everyone, or are some of us doomed to dwell perpetually in equipment purgatory?
At what point do we stop thinking about the equipment and think only about the image? Does that time ever come for everyone, or are some of us doomed to dwell perpetually in equipment purgatory?
What you are saying is that as long as tools are good enough, they do not matter.
There is absolutely no consistency in that.
You can't make their quality a conditional, and then go on to say that, as long as it meets certain standards, it does not matter.
Your example's artwork, the outcome of Armstrong's attack of Mont Ventoux, will be quite different when crappy tools have to be used then when the best available tools are available.
It is exactly the fact that they do not interfere, do not leave a negative mark on the end product that their importance shows.
It is very real, very much a part of the end product.
That's why craftsmen do treasure good tools. Because they know very well that it's about the tools too.
The long and short of it is that tools do matter.
I'm saying it's ultimately not about the tools. It's about achieving the goal. The goal might be winning a race. It might be successful self-expression. It might be pleasing a client.
The right tools are needed to achieve the goal. They must be at least adequate. In some cases (like winning the Tour de France) only the best is adequate.
Lance needs that $10,000 bike if he is to succeed.
But he also knows that it's ultimately not about the bike.
There's no way I need a $10,000 bicycle. I would be deluding myself to think so. If I were an elite bicycle racer, thinking I need that bicycle would be absolutely rational.
No, I am not. At no time did I state or imply that they do not matter. I really don't see how you got that out of what you quoted. If the tool does not matter, then it is not needed.
I'm saying it's ultimately not about the tools. It's about achieving the goal. The goal might be winning a race. It might be successful self-expression. It might be pleasing a client. [...]
Mechanics treasure good tools because it's not about the tools.
Ok, so let me see if I understand your point. What you are saying is that if I "shoot and shoot and shoot" with the present camera I have I will become familiar enough with it to nail the shot "under any circumstances"? Ok, so then if I have a Nikon F3HP with a 105mm 2.5 AIS lens I will be able to "nail the shot" everytime so long as I shoot and shoot and shoot with it; practice with it until I know it very well?
Ok Eddy, here is my dillema. I have been using my F3 with 105mm lens since 1983. That it a total of 26 years. I am not saying that the camera was made 23 years ago, I am saying that I have been using the same camera and lens for 26 years. Does that qualify me for "knowing one particular camera"? I recently shot a night football game. There is no way I could have achieved great results with just that one F3 and the one 105mm 2.5 lens. I had to use my D200 with grip and an 80-200mm 2.8 AF-D lens on a monopod in order to nail the shots.
A few weeks ago I took my kids to a park with water rides. I would have taken my F3 with 105mm 2.5 lens, but I felt that taking my "experimental" little Lumix TS-1 waterproof camera would enable me to "nail the shot" without ruining my gear. Having used an F3 for the past 26 years I can tell you first hand that they are rugged but not waterproof.
Now let's talk a bit about AF vs. manual focus. I have gotten many nice shots throughout the years with my F3 and 35mm 2.0 AIS lens. I have also gotten many out of focus shots beacause the action was too fast for me on occasions. I have been able to nail quick action shots with my F100 and 35mm 2.0 AF-D lens that I know I would never have been able to with my F3. Does this mean that the F100 suites me better than my F3? Not necessarily. There have been times when my F100 will not AF on a particular subject because of lack of contrast issues; times when only the split image prism of my F3 will work.
I can't subscribe to your idea of "make up your mind what you want to shoot and learn how to shoot that and forget about shooting anything else". That seems a bit too narrow-minded for my taste. This is photography (an art form) we are talking about, not bootcamp. We grow by learning and experimenting. It's about expression, not supression.
I suggest that we should judge our results against our own goals rather than against the results of others. However good Capa and HCB were, the bottom line is IMHO whether you're happy with how your work stacks up against how you would like it to be, not how it stacks up against someone else's, which may be a totally different style with different aims.
So what do you do when you have a house full of the best and most expensive equipment that money can buy, and you still feel you're pictures are crap ?
So what do you do when you have a house full of the best and most expensive equipment that money can buy, and you still feel you're pictures are crap ?
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