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Leon · Oct 19, 2006

wow - cant wait to try it out. Certainly would make my like easier.

hka · Oct 19, 2006

Flat Fibre Base Paper, the best I have heard after introducing the RC-paper.
Maybe its a good thing to give the boxes with this flat Fibre Paper a NEW Name. Because otherwise we don't know if we get the new ones or some older type from stock. That would be very disappoint me...

Petzi · Oct 19, 2006

If you could do it with single weight paper, the achievement would be even greater.

dancqu · Oct 19, 2006

Petzi said:
If you could do it with single weight paper,
the achievement would be even greater.

I'll second that! The continuing interest in SW continues.
I grew up on SW. A Graded Glossy would be just fine. Dan

Philippe-Georges · Oct 20, 2006

THREE CHEERS FOR ILFORD!

Bob F. · Oct 20, 2006

So there IS a Santa after all!

Flattening the things is one of the major factors dissuading people from using fibre. People can stand the long wash times, but curly prints are a real pain. I have a big, heavy and awkward Ademco dry-mount press I hardly ever use for anything but flattening - it would be nice to not have to bother...

Nice one Ilford!

Cheers, Bob.

Justin Low · Oct 20, 2006

Wow. This is a godsend. Although the high humidity where I live ameliorates the curling problem, this would probably make it much easier.

Thanks Ilford (and Simon)!

abeku · Oct 21, 2006

Thanks Simon, exciting news!

Annemarieke · Oct 21, 2006

That is great news, Simon!

'hka' is right though, it would be good if we could see from the boxes whether it is the new flat paper.

Long may Ilford live! (and I will certainly support you!)

Anne Marieke

dancqu · Oct 21, 2006

Bob F. said:
People can stand the long wash times, but curly prints are a
real pain. I have a big, heavy and awkward Ademco dry-mount
press I hardly ever use for anything but flattening - it would
be nice to not have to bother...Cheers, Bob.

How flat is flat? Using a blotter stack press all the waves
and undulations can be removed. The print is left only a little
concave towards the emulsion. Burk & James used to manufacture
a commercial forced air version. A past source of print paper
recommended the stack method for FLAT prints.

Many years ago I used Kodak's Blotter Roll for drying many
8x10s. The blotter roll had just that, a length of blotter paper
within a length of corrugated board. Blotter stacks without
corrugated board are worthless IMO.

I've incorporated hydrophobic sheeting within my stack
dryer. The interleaving of board, sheeting and prints builds
the stack which must be weighted at top. A special corrugated
board is used; A flute ventilation grade. It is water resistant
and can be used again and again.

From scratch $15 to $20 will cover costs on a stack good
for a score of 8x10s. With or with out prints the stack
weighs nearly nothing and can be stowed easily out
of the way. Time? Allow two or three days. Dan

eclarke · Oct 21, 2006

Hello Simon,
I have tons of Tmax 100 film but am impressed that your company is making these efforts. I have just ordered a couple boxes of Delta 100 5x4. How about some 5x7?? Bring on the 5x4 3200!!..Evan Clarke

FrankB · Oct 22, 2006

Excellent news, Simon! More power to your elbow!

Mark Pope · Oct 22, 2006

Another vote from me! It's fabulous news!

Claire Senft · Oct 23, 2006

What is "floopyness"? I might like the effect..does it cost extra?

Early Riser · Oct 23, 2006

That's great Simon, now if only the MG paper could work at grade 4 1/2 to 5 without bad coating mottle I'd be thrilled.

eclarke · Oct 23, 2006

Claire Senft said:
What is "floopyness"? I might like the effect..does it cost extra?

It's only extra if you ask the question....EC

MarcusK · Oct 24, 2006

Hello Simon,

...thats really great news. I am using the Ilford Multigrade Fiber for many, many years. I appreciate that I can use HOT WATER during the development of the picture, without any colorshift of the paper.

....this is also working with Ilforde graded papers, but NOT with the PE Mulitigrade paper. Will the new paper be suitable for a "hot water" development technic ????

To see my results just check on my website at http://www.marcus-kaufhold.de

Marcus
Photojournalist, Frankfurt Germany

Simon R Galley · Oct 25, 2006

Dear Marcus,

The technique to flatten the paper should not affect its 'hot' water development characteristics. |I have has a look at your site...excellent work

Simon ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

MarcusK · Oct 28, 2006

Thanks Simon ! Appriecate Your materials very much as well!

Marcus

Alex Bishop-Thorpe · Oct 28, 2006

Ilford's done what every business on earth wishes it could do, develop a dialogue with it's customers. From a marketing point of view it's a dream come true, I dont see why other companies seem a little scared of it.

Excellent news, innovation is always something to be impressed with, especially in this industry.

(and, Marcus, simply amazing photographs)

Petzi · Oct 29, 2006

Simon R Galley said:
Just to let APUG members know, we have developed a new manufacturing technique that keeps FB papers entirely flat during manufacture and finishing, it also seems to encourage the paper to REMAIN very, very flat after the processing and drying process.

I would like to know how you achieve that. I am always interested in technical details.

naaldvoerder · Oct 29, 2006

Petzi said:
I would like to know how you achieve that. I am always interested in technical details.

Don't tell him, Simon!!! Not before cashing in hugely on this new invention. After that, sell the recipe to other manufacturers.

Jaap Jan

goros · Oct 30, 2006

Simon R Galley said:
Just to let APUG members know, we have developed a new manufacturing technique that keeps FB papers entirely flat during manufacture and finishing, it also seems to encourage the paper to REMAIN very, very flat after the processing and drying process.

Simon,

Great news, at least for me.

I'm looking forward to use it.

Cheers

MMfoto · Oct 31, 2006

Mr Galley, I don't respond very often to your posts, but I thought I'd chime in this one time to let you know that I read most all of them. The time you spend on behalf of Ilford/Harmon informing the photographic community here on apug.org is indeed time well invested. Thanks for keeping us up to speed on the state of the art and for affording us renewed faith in Ilford. Keep the good news coming. Cheers.

Simon R Galley · Oct 31, 2006

Dear All,

I am afraid I cannot tell you how our R&D and Manufacturing R&D have done it, it is obviously 'company confidential' , as to our 'informing' our customer base on APUG, its a pleasure, we get to know what you want and what you think ( good or bad ) that is so important for us, all our directors have various 'end user driven actions' from attending trade shows ( and actually working the stand ), or handling incoming e.mails etc, etc and I can assure you they all enjoy it...why ? because what they hear first hand from you ( our customers ) can be used to challenge assumptions we have in our own business....hopefully it will keep us one step ahead..

My work on APUG is 5 to 8 hours per week on top of my other responsibilities , some people spend more time than that answering internal e.mails or going to lunch, I do do the former, rarely the latter...and most important of all.. I really enjoy it....and I have learnt a lot

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

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