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"Made in Federal Republic of Germany"**
** Meaning they were manufactured pre-reunification, which occurred in 1990.
As far as I know there are no such things as Jobo chemicals. It is simply a processing unit so yes you can supply your own by which I take it you mean Kodak, Fuji, Ilford or independent chemicals necessary for B&W, C41 or E6Do you have to buy Jobo chemicals or can you supply your own?
I am always amazed at how expensive a home based JOBO set is. $1700 for a film developing apparatus is huge money. Their volume must be absolutely tiny to drive up prices this high.
And don't forget how much you save on lab fees. If you do any significant volume of film in a year, the machine pays for itself in lab fees in less than 4 years. For example, my local custom lab charges $11/roll for C-41, 35mm or 120, no prints, no scans. B/W is even worse, at $12/roll. If I buy press kits and develop my C-41 in small batches, it's $3/roll. If I can put together large batches, and get 5L chemistry kits, and re-use my chems just once, it drops to about $1.50/roll. Saving between $8-10/roll, 100 rolls a year of either b/w or C-41, in four years a CPP-3 is paid for. And I know on a good year I'll burn north of 100 rolls, maybe closer to 150. And as mentioned, the machines last over 30 years if well cared for and not used commercially.Well, yes, they are producing small series of their processors (the bigger model CPP-3 is available since 2012). These machines are not a mass market product. Therefore they cannot be offered at mass market price levels. And they have the focus on quality.
But:
The price has always to be considered in relation to the value you get. And you get really great value with these processors. It is excellent, solid, long term quality. The design of the CPE / CPP processers is very well-proven for decades. You can use them for 30, 40 or even more years if you take a little care.
So 1590€ (with lift; 1190€ without lift) for lets say 35 years: That's only about 45€ per year. That is next to nothing. Because for that you get
- the possibility to develop E6, C41, RA-4, BW negative and BW positive; film and paper
- development at highest precision and quality
- total quality control over the development of your materials
- the possibility to develop and get results immediately
- reduced development costs
- the possibility to develop even in small flats (the CPE-3 is very compact and can be used in a bathroom or kitchen)
- no special chemistry is needed, all current chemistry from all manufacturers can be used (that as an answer of your question in the other post).
Best regards,
Henning
2016 - New midrange digital DSLR = $1,700.
2017 - Same camera value = $400.
2016 - New Jobo CPE3 = $1,700.
2017 - Same Jobo CPE3 value = $1,700.
Perspective is everything.
2016 - New midrange digital DSLR = $1,700.
2017 - Same camera value = $400.
2016 - New Jobo CPE3 = $1,700.
2017 - Same Jobo CPE3 value = $1,700.
Perspective is everything.
Well, yes, they are producing small series of their processors (the bigger model CPP-3 is available since 2012). These machines are not a mass market product. Therefore they cannot be offered at mass market price levels. And they have the focus on quality.
But:
The price has always to be considered in relation to the value you get. And you get really great value with these processors. It is excellent, solid, long term quality. The design of the CPE / CPP processers is very well-proven for decades. You can use them for 30, 40 or even more years if you take a little care.
So 1590€ (with lift; 1190€ without lift) for lets say 35 years: That's only about 45€ per year. That is next to nothing. Because for that you get
- the possibility to develop E6, C41, RA-4, BW negative and BW positive; film and paper
- development at highest precision and quality
- total quality control over the development of your materials
- the possibility to develop and get results immediately
- reduced development costs
- the possibility to develop even in small flats (the CPE-3 is very compact and can be used in a bathroom or kitchen)
- no special chemistry is needed, all current chemistry from all manufacturers can be used (that as an answer of your question in the other post).
Best regards,
Henning
Sorry; Jobo next year =$1,695.Your depreciation numbers are waaaaay off.
Sorry; Jobo next year =$1,695.
I was referring to your depreciated digital camera. Pure fantasy.
Good sense of humour you've got there, Ace.
Lucky you're on this site to correct those of us who slip out of line.
Pity that, in doing so, you miss the point that I was making.
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