Emulsion Magazine Availability Status

hortense · Jan 28, 2006

Anxiously awaiting this publication. Would it be possible to periodically report on this forum current status?

Aggie · Jan 28, 2006

It is out of my hands and in the final couple of days. Most the hold up now is making sure we have things in place so that subsequent issues will not have to fall behind schedule. This has not been easy, nor been without much learning. In hindsight I would run screaming from the project. Now I'm determined to get this thing going and to you all. Many wonderful people have stepped up to help. Many apuggers have contributed, and will be showcased in the future. Bear with us. I'm the only one on this project that doesn't have a day job.

jvarsoke · Jan 28, 2006

If we signed up with a credit card many months ago, do we need to do anything further to ensure the issue arrives?

James Bleifus · Jan 28, 2006

Aggie said:
It is out of my hands and in the final couple of days.

Sweet!

Cheers, James

MenacingTourist · Jan 28, 2006

I'll confess that I am now taking my turn as the "bottle-neck" on this project. Progress is being made but it's just kinda slow right now. Basically the few things that need to be done are all on my plate.

Since I can feel the burning of many eyes on the back of my neck, the pace will quicken

Alan.

David Brown · Jan 28, 2006

Aggie said:
... Bear with us. I'm the only one on this project that doesn't have a day job.

Aggie and Alan, please take this as sincere observations, and not as a personal attack. But, I feel the above statement says it all. A magazine is a business and not a hobby. Having a handful of people working part-time and/or as volunteers works for a club newsletter, but not for a commercial publication. You've probably realized that now, but to what end?

Another poster asked if those of us that have already subscribed months (and months) ago should do anything. Well, should we?

The mag was promised January 2005. Then January 2006. And here we are. Is there another target date?

I really wished for this to be a success, and paid a subscription based on promises early last year. But, I am profoundly dissappointed.

I am sorry that so many have put the time in on this that you say, but where is the product?

David Brown

Dave Parker · Jan 28, 2006

Public Apology to David Brown...

upon going back and searching the archives, I have to publically apologize to David, I mistakenly thought he was someone else who has posted on this issue in the past.

Dave

GregT. · Jan 28, 2006

Aggie & Alan,

Perhaps the right thing to do at this point is refund everyone's money until you finally have a product ready for market. You could always solicit subscriptions then. For the record, I entered my subscription to Emulsion back in June 2005.

Dave Parker · Jan 28, 2006

Do you all realize, that it took JFK Junior 39 months to get his magazine to market, and he was a Millionaire, with far more contacts than any of us will ever have!

Come on, June of 2005 that is only 6 months ago....

Dave

photomc · Jan 28, 2006

After Dave's retraction....

With Dave's retraction comment would not make sense.....I do agree with David, that periodic updates will keep any additional comments from being taken out of context....maybe a monthly update on the status.

Alex Hawley · Jan 28, 2006

Satinsnow said:
Do you all realize, that it took JFK Junior 39 months to get his magazine to market, and he was a Millionaire, with far more contacts than any of us will ever have!

Dave

Not only that, he had the most influential contacts one could possibly get.

jtsatterlee · Jan 28, 2006

I have to agree with David Brown, GregT, and photomc.

People have paid money for a product and have not seen anything to date.

Yes, something like this takes tremendous effort, and I do not discount that.

GregT makes a good point, it is time to take stock in the venture and decide if it can ever come to fruition - can a group of good-hearted volunteers make this publication viable.

Remember, the first issue was about to head to press at the beginning of last August. Something has happened in the past ~6 months - I don't know what happened, I don't need to know the details, but I know the result.

Dave Parker · Jan 28, 2006

not wanting to get into a fight, and knowing very well what it takes to put out a magazine, I think yo'all should give Aggie and crew a while longer...

Dave

Konical · Jan 28, 2006

Good Evening, All,

I'm willing to be patient.

Konical

CRhymer · Jan 28, 2006

Just subscribed.

hortense · Jan 28, 2006

Aggie, et al: I have empathy and will be patient. From what I've seen on this formum you guys will come up with a fine B&W analog magazine.

GregT. · Jan 29, 2006

Satinsnow said:
Do you all realize, that it took JFK Junior 39 months to get his magazine to market, and he was a Millionaire, with far more contacts than any of us will ever have!

Dave,

Thanks. No, I wasn't aware of that. I do know that the 1/2 million or so copies that were initially printed totally sold out within days of hitting the newstands. Neither of these two bits of trivia have anything to do with the topic at hand, however.

More the point would be knowing how many folks subscribed to George Magazine and then waited 39 months for JFK Jr. to publish the first issue.

Dave Parker · Jan 29, 2006

Greg,

Just by chance, I do happen to have some numbers! His actual paid subscription on his first issue was 257,902 copies! this was the initial subscription numbers based on the forms that had to be filed with the accounting companies that regulate the magazine industry and accourding to the filed official notarized paper work filed, the official records indicate that about 90% of this number was subscribed to and paid for in the first 12 months of offering..so accourding the official records keeping groups, over 200,000 subscribers waited a minimum of 27 months to get their first issue of his magazine. Greg, I owned a company called STP Publications. Inc., We published 8 magazines, I was required to file paperwork every single year, once I had my ISBN numbers on paid subscibers, wasted issues, issues that were given away in promotions, Etc. You would be amazed at how long it can take to get a magazine out in this country...and what type of record keeping you are liable for..Most start ups, get caught up in what they have to do, and it sounds like Aggie has had many of the difficulties associated with putting out a magazine....

Dave

James Bleifus · Jan 29, 2006

Since he was in the magazine biz, I consider Dave of Satinsnow to be one of the most credible people here when it comes to publishing. I, on the other hand no nothing beyond the fact that I'm willing to wait. I feel an analog magazine, the only analog magazine at this point, is valuable. OTOH, Aggie seems to have been pretty open about giving refunds. Those who feel too much time has passed may wish to contact her directly. Frankly, I'm excited.

Cheers, James

Dave Parker · Jan 29, 2006

I Think based on the state of the Industry, when this magazine comes out, it will be an outpost of traditional methods, work and education, I am by all means no expert, I can relate my personal experiances based on the company I owned, and relay the difficulty that can be involved in a magazine startup.

I am sure Aggie is doing her very best to get this out to every single person who has subscribed, I do know that when your trying to get a magazine out, 6 months passes like it is two or three days..And I think this will be a great magazine for what we all like to do, and what we believe in, I, for one am willing to wait, and the least of my worries is the amount of money that it costs.

Dave

philldresser · Jan 29, 2006

I never thought that bringing a new mag to the market was going to be easy or quick, especially when it was being done part-time. To this end I subscribed with the hope that my small contibution of money would help put a passionate, dedicated analogue publication on my coffee table. I look at it as an investment for future potential.

I wish all concerned luck and look forward to the first copy

Phill

doughowk · Jan 29, 2006

Those who practice traditional photographic methods realize the value of patience from the time of preparing for film exposure to when film/print is developing to its dmax. May we also exercize such patience for a new publication that promotes our respect for traditional methods.

papagene · Jan 29, 2006

I can wait.
I know what it takes to put something together on an all volunteer basis having been involved in two non-profit galleries. At the Valley Photo Center, we all volunteers who have full-time day jobs. For me, going down to the Center after a full day in the warehouse can be a pain, difficult to get up the enthusiam and energy to get the job done. I ain't no spring rooster anymore!
So Aggie, I hope that you have my CC subscription as I am very willing to wait.

gene

jovo · Jan 29, 2006

On another site, there is an interview with Brooks Jensen in which he describes the nascence of what would become Lenswork as a photography club newsletter which grew to the point that it became what it has become. From those amateur beginnings much must have been learned that made the ultimate transition to a polished publication possible.

Emulsion is being launched full grown. For it not to take a looong time to achieve that status from the beginning is to simply be unaware of the learning curve necessary to get there. If anything, it's that degree of naivete that lurks here. I vote for patience and understanding. Everyone begins everything without knowing what they don't know.

Lee Shively · Jan 29, 2006

I'm patient and I paid for a subscription...I don't even remember how long ago. I expect the magazine will show up in the mail one day and it will be worth the cost and the wait.

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