Ektachrome Revival Price Point

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REAndy said:
Sorry if this is off topic...
I've considered buying film from China on Ebay, however I'm afraid it will arrive fogged. Doesn't containers/packages get x-rayed when entering into the USA from overseas? Or, are my fears false?
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Sorry forgetting to say : Yes of course : ALL SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARRIVING THE US HAVE TO BE X-RAYED.

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Minoltafan2904 said:
Price looks very reasonable.
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I do not agree with You.
Why people should buy it instead Fuji?
In my opinion price point should be below 10 $. It means below 8 Euro in Europe.
People do not use Dia film because price is abstract. Kodak change it with the same abstract price?

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Only bacuse I have always preffered its colour palette.
 

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adamlugi said:
Why people should buy it instead Fuji?
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I buy it for different color palette. I would have preferred VS even more. But I probably will not buy much as I prefer medium format and larger these days.
 
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Well - I of course would buy Fuji in addition again if Fuji would just give me my beloved Astia100F
back. But at somewhere around USD 18,99 I wouldn't be amused.
AND the best way would be if Fuji will give all amatheuric E6 photographers their bestsellings Sensias back.
(just Sensia 100 would be good enough [nearly the same emulsion like Astia100] because ISO 200/400 might have been no bestsellings )
Last Sensias I remember from 2008 have been 3pack 135-36 in a big 10package.
USD 39,- or USD 59,- I can't remember well! That's not to much for 30rolls (smallest pricing because of short exspiration date).
The official price that time was around USD 2,39 a 135 roll Sensia100. Sensia 200/400 were all the time a little higher priced.
Today Fuji has the ability to relaunch that cheap film. Let us pay 3times more for it in comparison to the past. That would mean 6 - 7 bucks a roll (AgfaCt 100 seams to be discontinued next.)
But Fuji stated 2008 : "no demand to Sensia ?" It can't be true think of many amatheuric photograpers at that time.
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Nobody owes you film. Photography (& art/ printmaking practices in general) are expensive. If you need to make the work in a particular way, you'll find a way to afford to do so.
 

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Ektachrome 100 is available here in Australia now (Vanbar) for AUD$27, processing extra (typical $8 to $12, stripped/unmounted).
Fuji's Provia 100F is $17.40, so it remains to be seen how people see the higher peg in price in view of several alternatives.
In my testing, there is not much of a difference between Ektachrome 100 and Ektar 100 in terms of colour palette. Distinct E6 characteristics are there, but otherwise the price premium is questionable.
 

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All things considered price is not a factor to me. I love E6 and I shoot a lot of it. Having another choice far out weights complaining about a few dollars. Photography has never been cheap and paying a little more to shoot film is better than not having any. I ordered at $11, I was expecting it to be up to $5 more.
 
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It is sadly to say more related to the price as one would believe. Distinguished photographers today normaly are able to pay every price on film. But not in the longer term. The world isn't full of distinguished photographers.
Nikon stated within the 90th that only 2,5% of buyers of Nikons expensive top models : The so called professional cameras (35mm) , were bought from real professional photographers.
The max. more demand to these expensive Nikon models came from simply amatheuric photograpers who spent that money because they loved to own a professionel Nikon model.
Without this demand, wich resulted in much bigger scales in production of Nikon F4,F5, professional photographers would had to pay more than USD 65.000,- based on calculation of lower scales in production from the top Nikon models.
The same was with film. The backing of Kodak professionel E6 Films was total uneconomical - this was caused from increasing production costs in relation to production scales as an advance in that direction from year to year during the midt 80th.
Remember the highlights of E6 sales within the 70th.
I can not calculate how much a smallest scale of ISO 320 thungsten Ektachrome would have been priced in reality to make it to a profit deal.
But Ektachrome thungsten films have been allways calculated as "mixed calculation" with normal Ektachrome professional Films.
And do not forget : The sellings of amatheuric Kodak E6 Films have been actualy with big profits on lowest pricing. So Kodak professionel E6 were allways on the basis of amatheuric Films.
That is also true if you remember the technical side.
Kodak allways stated : Their amatheuric E6 Films (as a family of comparable emulsions) came from the professional types.
In reality the professional Ektachromes have been derivates with stronger production parameters and special characteristics of Kodak consumer E6 Films....!
So the fact is coming normal that at the end of the 90th all special E6 Ektachromes have been still in program.(professionals had no need to thungsten films any longer but I remember no discontinuations before 2002).

So it is a stabile roule today - if the mass will buy it - it has a future.And the mass is allways buying on low pricing.

Of course the mass isn't exiting any more if we are talking about photography on film. That is much more a concern if we discuss E6.

But the roules are the same - just the scales have been changed.

So expensive E6 pricing like Fuji has shown is killing the rest of remaining demand.

I personally know some who acepted discontinuation of films and higher and higher pricing for years. To each of them came the day they decided on stop buying film (I will not do so - buy the way) - today they all are involved with higher priced digital equipment......

So Kodak decided quite right to price Ektachrome today in a form retailers can make special offers.

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PS : The resulting quality of my Pentax67II allowes me with ISO100 films a standard in resolution wich is ok for me.
That is just resolution of course (quality is a bit more in general)
The digital equivalent would be a midt digital bolide like a Phase one.

But I wouldn't pay USD 49.000,- and later I would realize : THAT PRICING IS WITHOUT LENS..?
 

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B&H has Ektachome available for preorder for $12.99. I suspect that is going to be the cheapest we will see it. With processing, it is going to run around $20-$25/roll.
 
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In the US The Find Lab has it for $11.00

EDIT: Sorry, I see someone else already reported this.
 

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jawarden said:
In the US The Find Lab has it for $11.00
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However they hint that that is introduction pricing. I don't know how permanent it will be. when you factor in B&Hs free shipping, they are usually me cheapest source for film. I've never used Find Lab (never even heard of them) but I preordered 5 roll from them (and 4, 5 packs of Acros in 120.)
 

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Yeah I generally use B&H as well but in this case The Find Lab was cheaper for me, even considering shipping. But... I've never heard of them either.
 

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jawarden said:
In the US The Find Lab has it for $11.00

EDIT: Sorry, I see someone else already reported this.
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I was at their site and didn't see that they listed Ektachrome for sale. Was it on their buy film page?
 

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guys,
Writing my opinion I meant that Kodak would develop this business needs a scale. At these prices nothing will be great. Those who use slides will use them, and new ones will not get more.
If demand remains the same, and kodak will gain a 50% share in the dia market, it means that fuji will close this department of their business.
And again we will be sentenced to one supplier.

I do not know if Kodak was doing the price elasticity of the Ektachrome demand. But today Kodak has no costs as before bankruptcy (privately jets, offices in prestigious places, marketing and sales) and maybe it's worth thinking about how to build a volumen rather than a value at the beginning.
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I think the pricelevel now seems clear.
 
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Lachlan Young said:
Nobody owes you film. Photography (& art/ printmaking practices in general) are expensive. If you need to make the work in a particular way, you'll find a way to afford to do so.
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God, I wrote something completely different. It's not about whether I can afford to buy or not.
It's about the development of the dia film market and the continued production by Kodak and Fuji in the long run.
 
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adamlugi said:
God, I wrote something completely different. It's not about whether I can afford to buy or not.
It's about the development of the dia film market and the continued production by Kodak and Fuji in the long run.
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There will be no continued production of E6 Films in the long run by Kodak and Fuji. Sory to state.
With all the kind of optimism I can give - it will be also the same case with c41 films.
What we will see for sure is the avaibility of bw films with continued production in the long run.
If that is the case from Fuji I have several doubts. If Kodak will proceed with constantly bw film manufacturing in the long term I am not sure? But I have a bit more hope.
That means if you own a photo camera with film today you definitivly may use it for many many years from now. But you should make clear to yourself : From one day x within the future just with bw film.
Is that from any importance ? I would say :Of course it is - for example if you are planning to buy a new camera next (film based camera in used condition) wich is professionell and expensive today.
For example Fuji GX 680 in best condition. A very good system but also today rather expensive (in relation of course)
Are you planning to shot bw? Then it is fine. C41 in 120 in 10 years ? I have some doubts.
So we might know today that Ilford concerning bw will feed the remaining bw market. When they will stop production you definitivly will find other (smaler) manufacturer then. At the time Fuji and Kodak will produce no films at all. It is possible we have to wait for more then 15 years till we have such situation. But we would also see this within the next 8years.
What is clear today is the folowing: Bw Film manufacturing is no easy job at all but it is possible in smaler scales to low costs.
Color Film manufacturing is much more complicate in concern but it have be done with lowest costs within the past. (Lower in comparison to bw Film with that smaler scales in bw from year to year beginning after the end 70th when bw Film begann to become a niche production).
But lowest cost in production of color film is in concern of some billion films a year.

With higher pricing a self reinforcing effect is allways destroing parts of remaining demand of Film.

So we may see color films in continued production also from smaler manufacturing scale by other companies (in the long term)? LOOK at FERRANIA - there you'll find the answer on this last hope.
It is obviously not possible.

But for today we got E6 from Kodak back and Kodak will not discontinue Ektachrome within the next 3 month due to low demand.....
Fuji is planning to eject (bail out) e6 production but who can say if it is to be done next year or within the next 4 years.

So we may see Kodak Ektachrome as the e6 Film in production when Velvias and Provias are out of production? Possible from my point.

And for sure you will find the last remaining c41 in many years from now.

But long term concerning to the past in years is to me (more than 10, 20 years)

The end of E6 will definitivly come before. At last you will find massive increasing pricing (remember the end of Super8 beginning 2009) and if you'll have a constantly LOOK on Film pricing you'll will be warned and you will know when the end is coming near.

So you are totaly right what you metioned about pricing.

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