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So there's this thread here: Dust Bag and Photrio's pleasant little notes suggest a new thread 'cause it's aged. I'm not so sure, but I'm curious now that I'm chasing dust from my scanner, negatives, cameras, lenses, and even film holders (4X5) what tools you guys are using. I've looked at vaccuums for "static charge free" and they get pricey pretty quick. I did buy an attachmend, but sweet as it is, of COURSE it doesn't fit. But clearly mentioned tools: 1) Dust blower (aerosol has moisture so that can be a negative), 2) Vaccuum, 3) Tack rags. The latter is a scarey idea.... IMHO, but it was listed. Bellows can pick up some stuff, too (where I'm thinking of a low power vaccuum). And it's the low power vac recommendation I think I'm really after... range from $15 which seems kind of not worth it and likely to be junk to $ 140 and up.... which treads towards over priced... especially if you were to apply computer gear vacs which run in the $200 to $ 400 and more ranges.

But I guess we're kind of all doing our own thing here? Stuff gets around. Thoughts? And yes, it would seem to be a once every decade sort of question is good enough. Help appreciated.
 

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Photrio's pleasant little notes suggest a new thread

That isn't designed to simply suggest a new thread.
It is designed to give you a heads up about the age of the thread, and to take that into account before you decide to post in it.
If the older thread remains useful - use it!
 
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Dust control is different for different things:

For loading film holders:
1. Keep them clean. All my holders are stored in ZipLoc-style bags after loading and loaded quickly after being emptied.
2. Keep your film-loading area clean. Mine is my darkroom, but if you don't have one, then use your bathroom. Clean it well, vacuum it, then mop, then wipe down the work surfaces, then run the hot water for a minute or two to humidify the air a bit and settle the dust. Wait 5-10 minutes then before loading.
3. I use a small vacuum cleaner with a HEPA filter and the upholstery attachment (horizontal brush) to clean the filmholders. Before loading, holders get vacuumed inside and out and the work surface gets vacuumed as well.
4. During loading, tap an edge of each sheet on the countertop to dislodge any dust that may have settled on it. It also helps to keep the stack of film you are loading from emulsion-side-down. Then any dust settling on it settles on the back of the sheet. To load, take a sheet, turn it on edge and tap it on the countertop, turn it emulsion-side-up and load it into the holder. That minimizes the time the emulsion side is up and vulnerable to dust settling on it.
5. Close the slide immediately after loading.

When processing film.
Keep your processing area clean. This is really the most important thing; see above for cleaning tips. Note that the real danger from dust when processing is at the drying stage. Air filters help to get dust out of the air, but run them before processing, not when your film is drying. Keep your trays/tanks clean and free of debris. You last step needs to be in distilled/filtered water with a wetting agent. The area you dry your film in needs to be clean and the air dust-free.

Store your negatives in sleeves or envelopes in a clean environment. All that care in processing is wasted if you just leave them lying around to collect dust after you've processed them. Don't take them out of the sleeves until you need to view or print them.

You'll notice that to this point, no aerosols or other fancy dust-busting equipment is necessary. Just fastidious cleaning.

When enlarging or contact printing, again, the most important thing is to have your work area clean and the air dust free. Air filters help. Don't sweep and vacuum and then print immediately. Sweeping and vacuuming stir up dust. Run some hot water to increase the humidity a bit and settle the dust and wait a while. Then print. Try not to stir up dust when you're printing. I have the luxury of a dedicated darkroom with an exhaust fan. I've installed lightproof louvers with filters in them so when I run the fan, filtered air is drawn into the darkroom. I also have a desktop air filter. I keep the darkroom door closed as much as possible.

If you keep things clean, and your negatives are dust-free to start with, you won't need a lot of fancy stuff when printing. I use a bulb-blower and an old Zerostat (an anti-static gun for LPs - audiophiles from the past will remember them). I only use the Zerostat rarely. For the most stubborn dust, I have a soft brush. I use that only rarely as well.

My procedure is to put the negative in the holder and then hold it up to a light source at an angle so I can see the dust easily. This gets blown off with the blower. Stubborn specs get a zap from the Zerostat or a light whisk with the brush.

My enlargers are clean. I clean them fairly regularly by lightly vacuuming and wiping with a damp cloth. I don't have to do it often, since they live in the darkroom that stays clean.

If you use a glass negative carrier, you must take care that all glass surfaces are dust free as well. I don't (yes, I know - heresy! - but I find I don't need one very often with 4x5 negatives).

Keep the area around the enlarger clean and wiped down. Dust on the enlarging paper leaves spots on the print too, so make sure you keep the paper in its box or a clean paper safe until just before use. I tap the edge of the paper on the counter (away from the enlarger a bit) before putting it in the easel do dislodge any dust.

For cameras and lenses:
Same advice as above: keep them in a clean environment in bags, cases, whatever so they won't collect dust. Every now and then wipe the camera down, extend the bellows fully and blow out the inside with your breath and/or a bulb-blower. You can lightly vacuum them as well, but be careful to not have the vacuum cleaner on full power or else you can suck the bellows in and damage them.

When in the field in dusty conditions, keep the camera covered (your darkcloth will help) and only uncover it to make the exposure. If needed, remove the camera back and blow out the bellows occasionally.

When you unpack a filmholder from its ZipLoc bag, first blow off any dust from the outside of the bag, then remove the holder. Then blow or brush off any dust from the outside of the holder (no matter how careful you are, there will be some). Then insert the holder, remove the darkslide and make the exposure as quickly as possible after pulling the slide to keep dust from settling on the film before the exposure. Re-insert the slide as soon as you can as well, but dust settling on the film after the exposure is less of a problem.

Lastly, and maybe most importantly: learn how to spot your prints. No matter how hard you work, there will always be some spotting needed.

Hope this helps,

Doremus
 

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I've found that anti-static bags from McMaster-Carr are a real improvement over Ziplocs from the grocery store. I had to buy what amounts to a lifetimes' supply, but they were still affordable.

Doremus' advice above is very good.
 

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I’m guessing that people have different levels of dust contamination throughout their process as I personally haven’t seen the need for a lot of these precautions. Not to diminish the suggestions of others which appear totally sound.

But when I find a problem with dust in my process it is inevitably with my scanner. The large glass bed of a flatbed scanner is a magnet for dust.

Before I scan my negatives I always take a scan of the entire bed of the scanner with nothing on it so that I can see every particle of dust. Then I wipe down the bed with a pec pad moistened slightly with eclipse optic cleaning fluid. Then I flip the pec pad to a clean surface and dry off any remaining cleaning fluid. Always wiping in careful, even, directional strokes with minimal force.

After cleaning the bed I verify that the dust has been removed by scanning the empty bed again. If it’s not clean to my satisfaction I repeat until it is.

I find that dust can ingress into the scanner even with the lid closed so I clean before every scanning session. I also find that the quickest way to contaminate the bed with dust is to open and close the lid repeatedly, so I check and clean the bed frequently throughout longer scanning sessions. I tend to clean once every 6 times I have opened the lid or so, ymmv. I also avoid opening the lid if I don’t have to.
 

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My key darkroom "dust buster" is a 100watt spotlight mounted in a metal snoot that points down into the sink. The snoot means that I don't have to see the spotlight and spoil my dark adaption but the intense beam of skimming light will reveal the smallest speck of dust on a negative or a negative carrier glass.
Having the dusting station over a wet sink means that any dust that falls into the sink will not bounce.
I run a continuous negative ion generator in the darkroom. The hope is that if all surfaces and particles have the same charge they will repel each other rather than stick together.
 
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Doremus: As always - an absolute treasure trove of information! THank you.
Mark-S: Yes, I seem to be becoming a McMaster loyal customer. They are amazing: Deliver next day and take returns simple as pie. Will look those up.
T: I have one of those Stone Photo Gear covers. Helps a lot... but I appreciate the thoroughness. Great suggestion. FWIW, I moved my scanner out of the basement and into my office for a cleaner place in general. I also ditched camera scanning idea. Tried a lot of approaches, but the whole of it seemed more dustprone than Epson scanning. And with Silverfast 9 the software really really really helps remove dust and scratches both with color and B&W. DxO then kills what's left.
Maris: I'm impressed you've really added some science to the whole of it. Sounds a bit beyond my knowledge base for now, but very deep on the process.

To me, these ideas are WAY beyond the earlier 2017 thread. People are taking dust seriously. And I'm engaging with it EVERYWHERE from the camera, lenses, hoods, caps, bellows, etc. to the darkroom gear, darkroom, to the scanner. Thank you so much for these details. And to take it back to the Photrio thread hint I mentioned first, a lot changes in the dynamics of posters and products for addressing this stuff in 6 years.... and it's worth a follow-up. Thank you guys!
 

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I can't recall now if I got those anti-static bags from McMaster-Carr or Grainger; I'm sure that either company can supply them. I should mention that I shoot 4x5 b&w outdoors, these days in a very dusty part of the world (Arizona). They have helped keep dust off the film before exposure; those black specks in the sky are a real problem.
When I make prints, I use a diffusion light source in my enlarger, which keeps spotting to a minimum. I suppose that my habit of making dense negatives helps a little, as well.
I haven't scanned any negatives, so I guess I've been lucky.
 

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I was told years ago at Intel while getting ready to enter a clean room, that drinking a glass of water before you start reduces dust and other particles.

I do that and wear an N95 mask when I load film packs.

I work on an electronics antistatic mat too.
 

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Just peruse any Clean Room supply catalog or website. There are dozens of things one can do to improve typical film handling conditions. I don't have the patience at the moment to list my own amenities and procedural protocol. You never really win the war against dust; you just want it to keep its distance.
 
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