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Hello everyone,

While I'm waiting for the crowdfunding campaign for my darkroom timer project to reach its completion (7 days to go), I've been busy with a few other projects. One of them you'll find here in this thread: an LED conversion to my friend's Durst Laborator 1200 enlarger.

Advantages of having a LED head:

+Reliable light source with low power consumption.
+With the right LEDs, no red filter will be necessary under the lens.
+With the right LEDs, no filters will be necessary for multigrade or split grade printing.
+It's possible to build a large enough diffuser and convert a small format enlarger into a large format one.

Everything is still a work in progress and everything you see is mostly a result of our quick and dirty workflow with a shameless amount of hot glue to fix everything down temporarily. We've expected to have a few issues here and there and everything has to be easily reversible until we're more confident in our solutions.

I'll start by posting the where we ended up in the end:

DSC04578.jpg

Yes, that's a filled 5L bottle on top of the enlarger. The color head that we've removed weighs even more than that and until the laser-cut-form-fitting-counter-weight arrives, that bottle will have to act as dead weight to prevent the head from breaking free of its locked position and launch into the orbit.

Here's the old CLS 501 color head:

ddhm9o4be3skxlimyerk.jpg


It was in working condition and has no missing parts. Up for sale, if anyone is interested. Make us an offer :wink:.

All the drivers for the LEDs, power supply for the control unit and relays are inside the remaining chassis, tucker away behind the faceplate. We 3D printed a bracket (in the wrong orientation so the power switch is away from us while the power cable is near, measure twice print once everyone) and placed it temporarily on top of the head.

DSC04579.jpg

Since then, we've reprinted the bracket and everything looks better now (with much less hot glue everywhere) but haven't taken photos of that yet, so this'll have to do. We went for the DSub 9 socket so we have enough pins for communication and other features and it's actually compatible with MAYA (even though we haven't introduced the two of them yet).

mqjyj7nn09bmyxa9otzf.jpg


The black rectangular box underneath the faceplate is the diffuser box and some of you may have spotted that it says 24x36 mm on it. That's because this enlarger (that my friend had rescued from being scrapped) came with a 35 mm diffuser only. All that bulk and weight for that?

DSC04587.jpg


Much better now. If you think that this diffuser is larger than 35 mm, that's because we took a Dremel and cut out most of the bottom section. The newly inserted opaque white acrylic sheet is large enough to cover a 4x5 negative in either direction now.

DSC04593.jpg


Four clusters of LEDs. Following the suggestion of our dear friend Alexander Kharlamov (who has already built 6 of these conversion so far), we went for Red, Green and Purple LEDs, placed in the corners. According to some computer simulations, this layout gave us the best, the most even illumination. The ones closest to the center are the red LEDs since even illumination is not a major concern with them. They are there just to act as a safelight, essential when placing some paper underneath the enlarger. That's right, we won't have to use a red safety filter under the lens anymore (we did test them with some paper and they turned out quite safe to use).

DSC04589.jpg


Here's how the diffuser looks like with the red LEDs on. We also covered the inside of the box with some white reflective material and used two layers of opaque white acrylic at the bottom with a 1cm spacer between them. In the end, the lighting seems quite even, even for the red.

DSC04591.jpg


The green LEDs are closer to the corners (one in each) and are used for low contrast printing. They are more or less equal to an Ilford #00 filter and only activate the low contrast emulsion of the paper.

DSC04592.jpg


Here are the purple LEDs in action. These are also placed close to the corners (each cluster you saw above has RG and P LEDs, one of each). Some guides on the web suggest that Royal Blue LEDs would've been enough to activate the high contrast emulsion only but after digging through some datasheets (and also once again according to Alexander), the peak wavelength needs to be under 420nm to activate the high contrast emulsions of most papers and Royal Blue peaks at 440nm. These are 410nm near-UV LEDs. We also used a 1W driver for four of these while the two colors have 3W drivers of their own. This is because you don't need as much light to activate the much more sensitive high contrast emulsions.

DSC04590.jpg


Here's all of them on at the same time. Looks a bit bluish due to the white balance but it's much closer to white in real life.

DSC04586.jpg


There's a huge heatsink directly behind the LEDs. We used thermal paste and a drop of epoxy to attach the RGP clusters that are built into circular aluminium PCBs. If we're not happy with the light distribution, we'll look more carefuly into the arrangement and the number of the LEDs but this should be a good starting point.

DSC04582.jpg

We did not have a 4x5 negative at the point so this is a 6x6 negative. It is bright enough to be seen even with the room lights on.

DSC04584.jpg


The purple LEDs can be a bit hard on the eyes so while I took this shot with them, we actually turn the red LEDs on at the same time, resulting in a much more pleasing magenta illumination.

n3bnejghpxhppc5jygyo.jpg


One of these is made with an Ilford #5 filter while the other is made with the LEDs. Can you tell which is which?

DSC04577.jpg


One of the first prints we've done.

It was quite a pleasant workflow once everything was put together. I actually built a custom timer for this (using an Arduino Uno we had around) but if we had three light switches mounted on a surface somewhere, this could've been used with a standard timer as well. I'll update the thread with the custom timer and with MAYA in a week or so.

Here are a few footnotes:

-The 3W drivers we used for the Red and Green have a slight delay at the start. I could've just added a fixed number into the code to compensate for the delay but as it turns out, it's not a constant amount. It's around 200ms if they've been turned off for a few minutes and almost instantaneous when doing a test strip. So, we'll either upgrade our drivers, use a different kind (that would also allow dimming) or build a probe inside the head to watch for the changes in light (I'm working on one anyway, because I'll offer that option with MAYA for people who have cold light heads).

-The exposure times are around 5-10 seconds at f/11, which may be a bit too short to be practical, especially for dodging and burning. We'll either add a few more layers of acrylic inside the diffuser box along with some ND filters to dim the light a bit or switch to a dimmable driver.

-We've used a Pentax Spot meter to measure the illumination and everything seems to be within half a stop. However, the prototype spot analyser (accessory for MAYA, coming up soon) tells us that it might be more than what we'd rather have. Will do more experiments to see if we need to increase the quality of the diffusor box.

-We made all the preperations to add a 80mm or 120mm fan on top of the heatsink but surprisingly, we never encountered much heating even after turning everything on for a few minutes. We'll check again using a thermometer inside the light box and quite probably add the fan just in case but so far, everything's been quite cool.

All in all, I've quite enjoyed working with the LED light source. Along with the custom built timer, there is simply no need for any filters. Press the focus button and only the red LEDs are on. Press another button and everything turns on, so you can focus easily. It is so bright that I never needed to open the aperture while working. The exposure times are kept separately for each of the high and low contrast channels and we've even come up with a method to do both exposures automatically, so all that is needed to make the final exposure after the initial test strips is a single button press.

It is theoretically possible to set it up for single grade printing between #00 and #5 but so far we've only used it for split grade printing. Will experiment with different methods and techniques in the near future.

Next up, I'll be modifying my Kaiser 6002. Might even build and offer conversion kits for Kaiser V-Series enlargers since all of them have compatible parts, so it should be possible to build a one-size-fits-all solution for them. Then you may expect a guide and maybe even a conversion kit for Durst M805.

And then finally a complete, built from scratch enlarger project sometime later this year.

I'm open to all questions, comments and ideas so please, don't hold anything back.
 

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This work with LED enlarger heads is very encouraging. Along with the currently available Heiland products it provides a future for darkroom practitioners. Although at the moment I hope my MULTIGRADE 500 system keeps going as long as possible...
 

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Seems like a workable solution for someone with no dichroic head available. But, you had the dichroic head? What was wrong with it? How did it fail?
 

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Interesting project!

Since I am currently designing a similar system I am curious about the LED's you have choosen. Do you know the luminous flux (i.e. lumens) of these LED's? I would appreciate if you can share that information and perhaps the tech-spec of the LED's, that would be great!

Best regards
Henrik

PS: Have you considered to use a micro controller and Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) to drive the LED's? You can do great stuff with that, I believe. For instance, you can easily add software defined "neutral density"-filter and you can seamlessly convert between split-grade and single-grade filtering. The latter is possible since the LED's are narrow-band with no overlap in spectral output.
 
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Interesting project!

Since I am currently designing a similar system I am curious about the LED's you have choosen. Do you know the luminous flux (i.e. lumens) of these LED's? I would appreciate if you can share that information and perhaps the tech-spec of the LED's, that would be great!

Best regards
Henrik

PS: Have you considered to use a micro controller and Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) to drive the LED's? You can do great stuff with that, I believe. For instance, you can easily add software defined "neutral density"-filter and you can seamlessly convert between split-grade and single-grade filtering. The latter is possible since the LED's are narrow-band with no overlap in spectral output.

It's a great idea. You can "dim" them which is similar to stopping down. This will also allow easier use of split grade printing to get the ratio correct between the 2 filters.
 

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Nice work! I would also like to know which brand/type LEDs you used. Can you please give us some more technical details about the LEDs? What is the luminous flux of the green LED and the radiometric power of the purple LED at the currents that you're using. Unfortunately, these numbers are always missing in articles like this. I saw in a comment on Petapixel that the wavelengths of the LEDs are 410 nm (purple) and 560 nm (green) which is helpful. Hope you can give us a bit more info here. Thanks.

For people that are interested in modifying an enlarger with LEDs, there's a few interesting threads in the Photrio smoking solder iron group.
 

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Just to clarify myself regarding the PWM-approach.
In terms of "effective exposure", we assume that a 10 second exposure at 100% PWM duty cycle equals at 20 second exposure at 50% duty cycle, etc.
I believe this is a reasonable assumption given that LEDs have very little after-glow compared to hot-filament bulbs.

So, If a print has been deterimed to yield good contrast and tone when exposing the paper in a split-grade manner by using
- green exposure : 10 seconds @ 100% PWM
followed by
- blue exposure : 8 seconds @ 100% PWM

Then this should equal a *single exposure* with the following configuration:
- 10 seconds of exposure with green @ 80% PWM and blue @ 100% PWM
(10 sec x 80% = 8 sec effective exposure for green, 10 sex x 100% = 10 sec effective exposure for blue)

I believe this additive approach is valid since the blue and green LEDs have no spectral overlap (which I believe is not the case using tungsten-bulbs and multi-grade filters).

To seamlessly convert between split-grade and single-grade filtering may be interesting if e.g one finds it easier to determine print contrast using split-filtering, but then wish to dodge and burn at target grade during a single exposure.

Any thoughts on these ideas?

My apologies to the TS for borrowing the thread to dump these ideas, but I hope they can be inspirational.
 

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HI
Does your friend want to sale the old CLS 501 color head ?
PM PLEASE~
THANK YOU !
mojomojochen@gmail.com

ddhm9o4be3skxlimyerk.jpg


It was in working condition and has no missing parts. Up for sale, if anyone is interested. Make us an offer :wink:.

All the drivers for the LEDs, power supply for the control unit and relays are inside the remaining chassis, tucker away behind the faceplate. We 3D printed a bracket (in the wrong orientation so the power switch is away from us while the power cable is near, measure twice print once everyone) and placed it temporarily on top of the head.

View attachment 219071
Since then, we've reprinted the bracket and everything looks better now (with much less hot glue everywhere) but haven't taken photos of that yet, so this'll have to do. We went for the DSub 9 socket so we have enough pins for communication and other features and it's actually compatible with MAYA (even though we haven't introduced the two of them yet).

mqjyj7nn09bmyxa9otzf.jpg


The black rectangular box underneath the faceplate is the diffuser box and some of you may have spotted that it says 24x36 mm on it. That's because this enlarger (that my friend had rescued from being scrapped) came with a 35 mm diffuser only. All that bulk and weight for that?

View attachment 219077

Much better now. If you think that this diffuser is larger than 35 mm, that's because we took a Dremel and cut out most of the bottom section. The newly inserted opaque white acrylic sheet is large enough to cover a 4x5 negative in either direction now.

View attachment 219082

Four clusters of LEDs. Following the suggestion of our dear friend Alexander Kharlamov (who has already built 6 of these conversion so far), we went for Red, Green and Purple LEDs, placed in the corners. According to some computer simulations, this layout gave us the best, the most even illumination. The ones closest to the center are the red LEDs since even illumination is not a major concern with them. They are there just to act as a safelight, essential when placing some paper underneath the enlarger. That's right, we won't have to use a red safety filter under the lens anymore (we did test them with some paper and they turned out quite safe to use).

View attachment 219078

Here's how the diffuser looks like with the red LEDs on. We also covered the inside of the box with some white reflective material and used two layers of opaque white acrylic at the bottom with a 1cm spacer between them. In the end, the lighting seems quite even, even for the red.

View attachment 219080

The green LEDs are closer to the corners (one in each) and are used for low contrast printing. They are more or less equal to an Ilford #00 filter and only activate the low contrast emulsion of the paper.

View attachment 219081

Here are the purple LEDs in action. These are also placed close to the corners (each cluster you saw above has RG and P LEDs, one of each). Some guides on the web suggest that Royal Blue LEDs would've been enough to activate the high contrast emulsion only but after digging through some datasheets (and also once again according to Alexander), the peak wavelength needs to be under 420nm to activate the high contrast emulsions of most papers and Royal Blue peaks at 440nm. These are 410nm near-UV LEDs. We also used a 1W driver for four of these while the two colors have 3W drivers of their own. This is because you don't need as much light to activate the much more sensitive high contrast emulsions.

View attachment 219079

Here's all of them on at the same time. Looks a bit bluish due to the white balance but it's much closer to white in real life.

View attachment 219076

There's a huge heatsink directly behind the LEDs. We used thermal paste and a drop of epoxy to attach the RGP clusters that are built into circular aluminium PCBs. If we're not happy with the light distribution, we'll look more carefuly into the arrangement and the number of the LEDs but this should be a good starting point.

View attachment 219073
We did not have a 4x5 negative at the point so this is a 6x6 negative. It is bright enough to be seen even with the room lights on.

View attachment 219075

The purple LEDs can be a bit hard on the eyes so while I took this shot with them, we actually turn the red LEDs on at the same time, resulting in a much more pleasing magenta illumination.

n3bnejghpxhppc5jygyo.jpg


One of these is made with an Ilford #5 filter while the other is made with the LEDs. Can you tell which is which?

View attachment 219085

One of the first prints we've done.

It was quite a pleasant workflow once everything was put together. I actually built a custom timer for this (using an Arduino Uno we had around) but if we had three light switches mounted on a surface somewhere, this could've been used with a standard timer as well. I'll update the thread with the custom timer and with MAYA in a week or so.

Here are a few footnotes:

-The 3W drivers we used for the Red and Green have a slight delay at the start. I could've just added a fixed number into the code to compensate for the delay but as it turns out, it's not a constant amount. It's around 200ms if they've been turned off for a few minutes and almost instantaneous when doing a test strip. So, we'll either upgrade our drivers, use a different kind (that would also allow dimming) or build a probe inside the head to watch for the changes in light (I'm working on one anyway, because I'll offer that option with MAYA for people who have cold light heads).

-The exposure times are around 5-10 seconds at f/11, which may be a bit too short to be practical, especially for dodging and burning. We'll either add a few more layers of acrylic inside the diffuser box along with some ND filters to dim the light a bit or switch to a dimmable driver.

-We've used a Pentax Spot meter to measure the illumination and everything seems to be within half a stop. However, the prototype spot analyser (accessory for MAYA, coming up soon) tells us that it might be more than what we'd rather have. Will do more experiments to see if we need to increase the quality of the diffusor box.

-We made all the preperations to add a 80mm or 120mm fan on top of the heatsink but surprisingly, we never encountered much heating even after turning everything on for a few minutes. We'll check again using a thermometer inside the light box and quite probably add the fan just in case but so far, everything's been quite cool.

All in all, I've quite enjoyed working with the LED light source. Along with the custom built timer, there is simply no need for any filters. Press the focus button and only the red LEDs are on. Press another button and everything turns on, so you can focus easily. It is so bright that I never needed to open the aperture while working. The exposure times are kept separately for each of the high and low contrast channels and we've even come up with a method to do both exposures automatically, so all that is needed to make the final exposure after the initial test strips is a single button press.

It is theoretically possible to set it up for single grade printing between #00 and #5 but so far we've only used it for split grade printing. Will experiment with different methods and techniques in the near future.

Next up, I'll be modifying my Kaiser 6002. Might even build and offer conversion kits for Kaiser V-Series enlargers since all of them have compatible parts, so it should be possible to build a one-size-fits-all solution for them. Then you may expect a guide and maybe even a conversion kit for Durst M805.

And then finally a complete, built from scratch enlarger project sometime later this year.

I'm open to all questions, comments and ideas so please, don't hold anything back.[/QUOTE]
 

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we assume that a 10 second exposure at 100% PWM duty cycle equals at 20 second exposure at 50% duty cycle, etc.
I believe this is a reasonable assumption given that LEDs have very little after-glow compared to hot-filament bulbs.
My somewhat shoddy measurements with a slightly similar setup suggestions this is true, at least at brightness levels above 20% or do. Below that, things seem to get a little non-linear.

As to the ratio/grade (combined G+B for single grade exposure): I found a pdf on split grade printing which suggests that each step of a factor 2 change in the blue:green ratio equals about one ISO R paper grade. I have no clue (yet) if this is accurate, but it may be worthwhile looking into and do some testing. It's fairly easy to determine the ISO R grade using a step wedge.

One other thing: for pwm, the 8 bit resolution of the Nano may be too coarse, especially when trying to get good linearity at low output levels. Something to consider if you run into trouble with smooth fading at the lower end of the brightness scale.
 
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Does anyone remember a company called "Salthill"? Quite a few years ago they were selling a LED enlarger, I've never heard any reports about it by anyone that owned one. They made great, innovative stuff. I bought their safelight and enlarger alignment tool, brilliant engineering.
 
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