• Welcome to Photrio!
    Registration is fast and free. Join today to unlock search, see fewer ads, and access all forum features.
    Click here to sign up

Dumb question. 4x5 Glass Negative Carrier for All formats?

clineco

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Sep 7, 2011
Messages
34
Format
Medium Format
I have a 4x5 glass negative carrier. Can I use this for my medium format negatives also? Or should I be masking the carrier for some reason?
 

frank

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Dec 6, 2002
Messages
4,359
Location
Canada
Format
Multi Format
You can make it work, just cut a mask out of any thin opaque material to mask it. That prevents unnecessary light scatter.
 

tedr1

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Feb 3, 2016
Messages
940
Location
50 miles from NYC USA
Format
Multi Format
I use black masking tape on the upper glass to mask off the unused area of my 4x5 glass carrier. You can make any size needed for the film format you are using.
 

ic-racer

Member
Joined
Feb 25, 2007
Messages
16,728
Location
USA
Format
Multi Format
I have a 4x5 glass negative carrier. Can I use this for my medium format negatives also? Or should I be masking the carrier for some reason?
Yes. I got in the habit of using the largest glass carrier when I got my 4x5 and 8x10 enlargers. Those models only ever came with one size glass carrier and use light masks and smaller mixing boxes for the smaller formats.

Here is an extreme example. A black plastic mask held in place over the top glass to enlarge MINOX with my 4x5 enlarger. This works very well. The actual MINOX glassless holder for his enlarger is no good because Minox film has to be held flat to the micrometer and this is only possible with glass.

 
OP
OP

clineco

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Sep 7, 2011
Messages
34
Format
Medium Format
Great. Thanks for all the info. So what are the adverse affects of not using a mask? Fogged prints?
 

MattKing

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
55,143
Location
Delta, BC Canada
Format
Medium Format
So what are the adverse affects of not using a mask? Fogged prints?
There is more of a problem with contrast, but fogging is possible.
 

ic-racer

Member
Joined
Feb 25, 2007
Messages
16,728
Location
USA
Format
Multi Format
Even with clean multilayer coated enlarging lenses, contrast will suffer. It is easy to test.
 

MartinP

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Jun 23, 2007
Messages
1,569
Location
Netherlands
Format
Medium Format
Depending on the design you might also find that a long 'tail' of 120 or 135 film sticking out of the neg carrier gets in the way of the frame/mount/edges of the carrier (as it is made to have just the 4x5 neg between the glasses, in the middle).

I will be making a 135/120 carrier for a big 10x15cm Magnitarus for this same reason. Anything which fits between the glasses is fine, with masking, (currently 4x5" and individual 6x9cm) but the glasses are recessed in to the main part of the neg-carrier so nothing can 'stick out the side'. Not a problem when I eventually get some more 3mm plywood (famous last words).

Edit: Yes, you certainly should mask out the light that isn't going through the negative. The whole darkroom would light up!
 

Patrick Robert James

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Jul 31, 2012
Messages
3,417
Format
35mm RF
I use small sheets of aluminum(?) that I get at Lowe's or Home Depot in the roofing area. They are even painted black on one side. They are thin enough to cut with scissors or a sharp knife and thin enough not to cause any hangups when inserted into my Saunders 4550.