Drone photography

AgX · Nov 16, 2015

480sparky said:
Do you lump all photographers together as perverts, terrorists and pedophiles, too?

If drone users are so careless about safety, perhaps you could provide evidence about all the injuries they're causing?

I rather see them as ignorant.

Several near misses with manned aircrafts have been reported in Europe. And several european air safety authorities are alert; new restrictions have already been passed.

I assume many drone owners rather see them as toy and not as something out of the world of aircrafts and thus not relate those rules to their drones. And seemingly legislation is ambiguous, thus those initiatives for specific regulations.

480sparky · Nov 16, 2015

AgX said:
I rather see them as ignorant.

Several near misses with manned aircrafts have been reported in Europe. And several european air safety authorities are alert; new restrictions have already been passed.

I assume many drone owners rather see them as toy and not as something out of the world of aircrafts and thus not relate those rules to their drones. And seemingly legislation is ambiguous, thus those initiatives for specific regulations.

So when you almost get in an auto accident due to another driver's recklessness, are you willing to ban all automobiles?

Oh, no... wait.... that means YOU would have to give up YOUR automobile.

[video]https://youtu.be/ApNsSwwjyzI[/video]

Granted, this isn't a very scientifically-proven method, but at least someone made the attempt.

Just remember... The paranoia and fear that's been bantered about drones is the exact same paranoia and fear being bantered about by those who fear people with cameras.

AgX · Nov 16, 2015

Drones won't be banned, but more specifically restricted, concerning flight safety. Concerning other issues the discussion still goes on.

Concerning paranoia, so far it is you who is making the most fuzz in this thread...

But of course any topic can be boiled up and perhaps this is the case with drones somewhere. Here in Germany as far as I know there is no paranoia about drones. But they are advertized everywhere. And it was reported that the german flight safety bureau is very alerted.

I myself am very inclined to aerial photography. But neverthreless saw in the past (not at least due to my own involvement) and see in the future some issues to be handled with.

480sparky · Nov 16, 2015

AgX said:
Drones won't be banned,...

I wouldn't bet the rent on that. As soon as the NTSB tweezers what's left of one out of the engine of a passenger get than had to declare an emergency landing.............

AgX;1953813525... said:
but more specifically restricted, concerning flight safety....

I, for one, would like to see more safety regulation. This is something that should be impressed right from the start, beginning at the retail end.

AgX said:
....Concerning other issues the discussion still goes on.

Legal issues aside, just remember...... the gubbamint works at the Speed of Gubbamint.

DREW WILEY · Nov 16, 2015

The proliferation of drones should be stopped NOW, before all hell breaks loose. Approximately twelve million are expected to be sold this
Christmas alone in the US. These are dream tools for burglars, peeping Toms, and especially terrorists. Never mind these are going to crash all over the place and start forest fires, etc. Criminals don't give a damn about regulations. And kids are going to keep on doing dumb things.
It's hard to imagine any other toy that could be more easily weaponized.

AgX · Nov 16, 2015

It seems a discussion has started in the US but not yet over here.
Anyway, for many "not intended" uses payload will be a major issue I assume.

benjiboy · Nov 16, 2015

Amazon are wanting to deliver by drone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le46ERPMlWU

DREW WILEY · Nov 16, 2015

Amazon would take over the world if they could. I doubt they'll get official clearance for this kind of insanity in the US. Tens of thousands of
drones running about over your yards and fields, then neatly dropping little packages on your front porch? Anyone who has anything of value left on their porch by any parcel delivery service ain't all that bright to begin with. Just another Amazon ploy to create a huge distribution monopoly. The problem with tapeworms like this - and parasitism is Amazon's key business model - is that once a parasite gets as big as its host, they both die. Economics 101. There's a reason they're still running on a bluff and not actually turning a profit. What profit they do have is generated primarily by licensing their search engine and checkout system to smaller businesses. But big companies get big heads, and come up with big ideas, realistic or not. Mosquitoes and jet contrails are bad enough - do we really want our skies filled with even more clutter and buzz? Restrict and license the damn drones for legitimate limited applications.

RobC · Nov 16, 2015

mrred said:
I am more concerned with privacy issues. If you were to point a camera into my windows, I have legal options. When you fly over my home I do not. What we need is affordable emp devices or at least scramblers to disable these devices. Perhaps the legal right to shoot them down? And yes, I am serious.

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I'm looking forward to renewing my aquaintance with a catapult.

pentaxuser · Nov 16, 2015

Given the potential for drones to get bigger and better and the tragedy in Paris last Friday I'd be amazed if serious thought has not been given or is not being given right now to restrictions on such things.

I think the days of Amazon drones delivering parcels might now be some way away

pentaxuser

480sparky · Nov 16, 2015

mrred said:
I am more concerned with privacy issues. If you were to point a camera into my windows, I have legal options. When you fly over my home I do not. What we need is affordable emp devices or at least scramblers to disable these devices. Perhaps the legal right to shoot them down? And yes, I am serious.

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Question: Have you ever seen a drone video where you can actually see what's on the other side of the window glass?

Didn't think so.

Just more paranoia. Just more babble equating drone operators as perverts.

AgX · Nov 16, 2015

There can be life in front of the windows but still on private, fenced ground.

mrred · Nov 16, 2015

480sparky said:
So when you almost get in an auto accident due to another driver's recklessness, are you willing to ban all automobiles?

Automobile drivers are required to pass competency tests and can be relieved of their license when competency is in doubt. How do you prevent an incompetent drone owner from flying his/her craft?

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480sparky · Nov 16, 2015

pentaxuser said:
Given the potential for drones to get bigger and better and the tragedy in Paris last Friday I'd be amazed if serious thought has not been given or is not being given right now to restrictions on such things.

I think the days of Amazon drones delivering parcels might now be some way away

pentaxuser

R/C controlled airplanes have been around since the 1950s. Heck, I remember going to an R/C air show back in the early 1980's. Prop planes, ducted fan 'jets', helis, even R/C controlled parachuting 'action figures'. That technology could easily be used by terrorists. Then and now.

mrred · Nov 16, 2015

480sparky said:
Question: Have you ever seen a drone video where you can actually see what's on the other side of the window glass?

Didn't think so.

Just more paranoia. Just more babble equating drone operators as perverts.

You missed the point of that example. I never said or insinuated that a drone would be shooting through my window, although physically possible. I am not paranoid. I just happen to appreciate my right to privacy, and it is a right.

Where I live, you do not have the right to take a picture of me.....even in public.....without my authorization.

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480sparky · Nov 16, 2015

mrred said:
.........Where I live, you do not have the right to take a picture of me.....even in public.............

And where I live, you do.

mrred · Nov 16, 2015

Be careful where you scratch your nads......it may wind up on youtube....

Sirius Glass · Nov 16, 2015

My problems with drones are:

Loss of privacy, we have had that here already
Danger to private and commercial aircraft, we have had that here already
Interference with law enforcement, we have had that here already
Interference with brush and forest fire fighting, we have had that here already

Old-N-Feeble · Nov 16, 2015

mrred said:
I am more concerned with privacy issues. If you were to point a camera into my windows, I have legal options. When you fly over my home I do not. What we need is affordable emp devices or at least scramblers to disable these devices. Perhaps the legal right to shoot them down? And yes, I am serious.

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Yes, of course there are jerks and perverts who will do that. But most drone pilots just want to have some fun... and most do it safely.

Old-N-Feeble · Nov 16, 2015

Speaking of terrorists using technology to maim and murder people, we should've banned all Boeing 757 commercial airliners fourteen years ago. Yeah, that would've stopped all future use of aircraft for terrorist activities. Oh wait, no no no, we need to ban all commercial aircraft larger than... oh wait, no-o-o-o, we need to ban all commercial aircarft of any size... oh wait, no, we need to ban all aircraft of any size. No more terrorists using aircraft to do their evil deeds.

Kyle M. · Nov 16, 2015

Old-N-Feeble said:
Yes, of course there are jerks and perverts who will do that. But most drone pilots just want to have some fun... and most do it safely.

+1, banning something just because a few people used it non responsibly is not the answer. Just because a few idiots do something stupid with a drone or (insert other device here) is no reason to take them away from everyone.

Sirius Glass · Nov 16, 2015

Old-N-Feeble said:
Yes, of course there are jerks and perverts who will do that. But most drone pilots just want to have some fun... and most do it safely.

Kyle M. said:
+1, banning something just because a few people used it non responsibly is not the answer. Just because a few idiots do something stupid with a drone or (insert other device here) is no reason to take them away from everyone.

I did not propose banning all drones. No, I rather see that any drone operator who does something stupid or dangerous be euthanized on the first offense.

When I was ten years old I realized that the world would be a better place is only people who think like I do would be the ones to be in power.

mrred · Nov 16, 2015

I am in my fifties.....I flew RC plains a lot in my youth, my brother still flies rockets. All these "sports" have government rules and regs on where you can do these activities. Most clubs contact authorities when an event is supposed to take place. All this time I have never had an issue with these activities.

Stick a camera on something.....the stupid factor goes way up. I was at a music festival a couple years back. I noticed some guy getting really irate with the security. They were preventing him to use his drone. He didn't appreciate it was private property. He didn't appreciate it was a "no cameras event". He obviously didn't contact anyone with his intentions. He certainly didn't notify anyone there that a drone could fall on their head.

To repeat, just because you can afford one does not mean you have the skills to properly use the device and are willing to take responsibility for dealing with the device. How many people take out public liability insurance? With no required competency tests, owning one seems to be the only requirement to use one.

Something people may not know. Radio frequencies have two users....licensed operators and unlicensed operators.

An example of this is the 2.4 ghz band that cordless phones and wifi devices use. All those access points and cordless phones are unlicensed. HAM operators are licenced owners of this band. As a license holder, I can legally prevent any unlicensed user from interfering with my activities on that band. Furthermore, if my activities interfere with consumer wifi....to bad for them. The bad belongs to HAMs.

The problem is these drones can get locked up easily when the control freq (whatever it is) gets overtaken by the licensed user of that band. Drone comes down, out of control of the operator.

How many drone operators know these aspects of their devices? As a HAM radio operator I had to learn these things and take a test. If I were a real pilot, there would be testable competency I would need to complete.

Engineers can do many wonderful things. It may make it easy.....but you can't fix stupid.

Old-N-Feeble · Nov 16, 2015

Sirius Glass said:
I did not propose banning all drones. No, I rather see that any drone operator who does something stupid or dangerous be euthanized on the first offense.

When I was ten years old I realized that the world would be a better place is only people who think like I do would be the ones to be in power.

So if we we transpose this logic to a different scenario... let's say some dumb kid who drives home one night from a party and is just enough inebriated to be over the limit but thinks he's being safe... should be euthanized on the first offense? Half the kids in the US would be dead already.

Sirius Glass · Nov 16, 2015

Sirius Glass said:
I did not propose banning all drones. No, I rather see that any drone operator who does something stupid or dangerous be euthanized on the first offense.

When I was ten years old I realized that the world would be a better place is only people who think like I do would be the ones to be in power.

Old-N-Feeble said:
So if we we transpose this logic to a different scenario... let's say some dumb kid who drives home one night from a party and is just enough inebriated to be over the limit but thinks he's being safe... should be euthanized on the first offense? Half the kids in the US would be dead already.

Bring up the music so we can sing "Oh promise me".

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