Double-X 100' rolls Special Order??

hacked - sepiareverb · Feb 19, 2013

Gerald C Koch said:
Just checked with Film Emporium http://www.filmemporium.com/store they sell Eastman 5222 Double-X film for $207.60 for 400 feet. This is sealed fresh stock from Kodak. A 1000 feet runs $474.00.

And who sells it in 100' rolls?

Gerald C Koch · Feb 19, 2013

sepiareverb said:
Kodak Motion Picture Division only sells 400 or 1000' rolls, some of us don't have the set-up for cutting it down to fit into a bulk loader.

It's not hard to do. You need a room that can be made dark for an hour, a board with two nails, and an empty spool. I've done it several times. It's not rocket science.

Still I would like to see Kodak sell shorter rolls if the price is comparrable to the longer rolls.

I wish Kodak still made Eastman 5231 Plus-X which was even nicer than 5222.

AgX · Feb 19, 2013

Newt_on_Swings said:
It has a slightly different sprocket hole pattern, with rounded sides to accommodate the high speeds inside motion picture cameras.

There are several perforations used in the 35mm cine world. And two types of holes. But the difference is not due to the speed of film as for instance the film speed is basically the same in the camera and in the projector. The reason for one part are other technical factors and, probably more important, to many people gathering at too many conferences...

Richard S. (rich815) · Feb 19, 2013

I checked with Vic at my source linked above and he still has some, albiet in 400' rolls, but now for $165 plus shipping. No, it's not the 100' rolls but I've not had any issues using a large film changing bag and carefully spooling out some onto an old leftover spool I had saved from an earlier used bulk roll and then loaded it all onto a Llyod's film loader.

I am particularly enamored by this film. Definitiely a bit more old school in it's look and a tad grainy (especially in Rodinal) but it has a contrast and a bite that I really like. I shoot it at 200-250:

SF Commute Bay Bridge
Leica MP
35f2 Biogon
Eastman XX (5222)
Rodinal 1-50
by rich8155 (Richard Sintchak), on Flickr

Gerald C Koch · Feb 19, 2013

sepiareverb said:
And who sells it in 100' rolls?

As I indicated you can get short ends which are of variable length shorter than 400 feet. Typically 75 to 200 feet in length.These are what is left over from movies and too short to reload in the camera. They typically sell for about $0.20 per foot or less. They are not always in stock but there are several companies that sell short ends. It also helps to give them a calll and check. Sometimes short ends sell out before they can be put on the website.

BTW, many people do not even use a bulk loader but transfer directly from roll to cassette. IIRC a 36 exposure roll is ~5.5 feet in length.

StoneNYC · Feb 19, 2013

Do they make bulk 120/60mm non-perf film?

For me that would be more valuable...

I'm ALMOST done with 70mm... I keep saying that, but I mean it, it's just too hard to process... Even my home made tank is a disappointment... I need a REAL daylight tank, it's just such a pain, blah lol

~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

AgX · Feb 19, 2013

What is wrong with your DIY tank?

wblynch · Feb 19, 2013

Rich, that is a compelling photo of the Bay Bridge.

Although I haven't been up there for 30 years, I used to commute daily on that bridge for years.

Looking at your photo I feel I'm actually there. The detail and tonality is great.

-Bill

rich815 said:
...I am particularly enamored by this film. Definitiely a bit more old school in it's look and a tad grainy (especially in Rodinal) but it has a contrast and a bite that I really like. I shoot it at 200-250:

StoneNYC · Feb 19, 2013

AgX said:
What is wrong with your DIY tank?

It doesn't fully drain so the stop and fix take much longer and more Heavily contaminate and dilute the chemistry, it light leaks in bright sunlight.

Plus I hate hand rolling it all, I want a bulk loader and can't afford one.

I hate dealing with SS reels I like plastic auto loading reels.

Call me lazy but I come from 4 generations of engineers and so poor design and lack of ease in use REALY bugs me, 70mm could have been WAY better than 120 but had a lot of design flaws.

I still like it, I like the sprockets... I'm addicted and annoyed that I am haha

~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

grobbit · Feb 19, 2013

I don't use a bulk loader so 400ft rolls would be fine for me.

70mm I have no problem processing, I have a Nebro tank with an adjustable spiral and one of the settings is for 116 rollfilm, which happens to be the same width as 70mm.

Those Orwo films at 90USD for 400ft are a great deal, just wish there was a UK distributor, I've tried to find some but would have to order it direct from the factory. There are lots of image samples around the net and it looks like really nice film.

hacked - sepiareverb · Feb 19, 2013

grobbit said:
Those Orwo films at 90USD for 400ft are a great deal

That's 16mm @ $90. the 35mm is $175 shipped.

polyglot · Feb 19, 2013

grobbit said:
Ooh, where can I buy that? I need some 70mm.

eBay. It's 2405 Aerographic XX though, so extended-red. You can also buy fresh Rollei IR400 from macodirect at under $100 for 100'.

I'm not suggesting people buy this stuff to slit to 35mm - that would be insane - but to indicate that $100/100' for 35mm is very pricy. You can of course buy plenty of fresh Ilford etc in 35mm for under $50/100'.

polyglot · Feb 19, 2013

StoneNYC said:
It doesn't fully drain so the stop and fix take much longer and more Heavily contaminate and dilute the chemistry, it light leaks in bright sunlight.

Plus I hate hand rolling it all, I want a bulk loader and can't afford one.

I hate dealing with SS reels I like plastic auto loading reels.

Call me lazy but I come from 4 generations of engineers and so poor design and lack of ease in use REALY bugs me, 70mm could have been WAY better than 120 but had a lot of design flaws.

I still like it, I like the sprockets... I'm addicted and annoyed that I am haha

Get a Jobo 2521 tank (or longer, like a 2551) and two reels. Light proof, non-leaky, easy-loading plastic spirals, though can do only 220-lengths. You can do the same thing with a Paterson tank.

wblynch · Feb 19, 2013

70mm is very handy for 116/616, also can be slit down for 120, 46mm for 127 and even split into 35mm unperforated for Instamatic 126. Maybe it even works for some sheet film cameras or copy negatives?

Christiaan Phleger · Feb 19, 2013

"Turns out that Plus-X is gone because the one particular machine that coated it broke, and it couldn't be repaired any more, same as Efke"

I call BS on this. Kodak shifted all of its film making to one plant in 2002 that could make all of the films under one roof, just changing the emulsions for the master rolls to be cut. One Kodak machine 'wearing out' for Plus-X? Ha.
Perhaps you got the previous version mixed up, that version of Plus-X pre 2002 had the distinctive blueish film base.

Newt_on_Swings · Feb 19, 2013

AgX said:
There are several perforations used in the 35mm cine world. And two types of holes. But the difference is not due to the speed of film as for instance the film speed is basically the same in the camera and in the projector. The reason for one part are other technical factors and, probably more important, to many people gathering at too many conferences...

Ah I always thought the rounded sprocket pattern was a necessity because of the rate of speed the film passes though the camera/projector, so that they engage the teeth properly without tearing.

John Shriver · Feb 19, 2013

Kodak has an amazing automated film factory that can make huge quantities of any film really fast. Problem is that it's got a big fixed cost, and they aren't making huge quantities of film anymore. There's a big startup cost to make a run of a particular emulsion. Plus-X sold so slowly that they couldn't sell a minimum sized run before it expired. So it got discontinued.

This same factory also makes the Eastman movie films. Which are often manufactured to order. But shooting up one movie uses enough film that the order is a sensible sized production run!

StoneNYC · Feb 19, 2013

RidingWaves said:
"Turns out that Plus-X is gone because the one particular machine that coated it broke, and it couldn't be repaired any more, same as Efke"

I call BS on this. Kodak shifted all of its film making to one plant in 2002 that could make all of the films under one roof, just changing the emulsions for the master rolls to be cut. One Kodak machine 'wearing out' for Plus-X? Ha.
Perhaps you got the previous version mixed up, that version of Plus-X pre 2002 had the distinctive blueish film base.

Was that base more a green/blue?

I thought I wasn't fixing long enough...

~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

Newt_on_Swings · Feb 19, 2013

Panatomic X also has a greenish blue look when it is unprocessed. There are a few wacky ones out there, there is one that is bright red, another that is yellow, and one that I saw on ebay with a white base (looks almost like plain leader but was labeled as photographic film!)

lxdude · Feb 19, 2013

Newt_on_Swings said:
Ah I always thought the rounded sprocket pattern was a necessity because of the rate of speed the film passes though the camera/projector, so that they engage the teeth properly without tearing.

Just a supposition, but I figure the rounded edge shape helps keep the film centered on the sprocket better.

StoneNYC · Feb 19, 2013

Newt_on_Swings said:
Panatomic X also has a greenish blue look when it is unprocessed. There are a few wacky ones out there, there is one that is bright red, another that is yellow, and one that I saw on ebay with a white base (looks almost like plain leader but was labeled as photographic film!)

Now why can't they do a Panatomic-X run? That would be worth much more... Better than that Tmax crap

~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

Dennis S · Feb 19, 2013

I received a phone call from Vancouver Kodak and they will sell a 400' roll of 5222 for $170 1-800-621-3456.

AgX · Feb 20, 2013

lxdude said:
Just a supposition, but I figure the rounded edge shape helps keep the film centered on the sprocket better.

This would not explain why in projection a different form of hole is used.

madgardener · Feb 20, 2013

dances_w_clouds said:
I received a phone call from Vancouver Kodak and they will sell a 400' roll of 5222 for $170 1-800-621-3456.

That is a much better price. 4 people can easily pay ~$43, plus a bit more for shipping. I'd be willing to pitch in for that.

polyglot · Feb 20, 2013

lxdude said:
Just a supposition, but I figure the rounded edge shape helps keep the film centered on the sprocket better.

Sharp internal corners are where stresses get focused and tears begin. Rounded sprocket holes spread the load more uniformly and reduce the probability of tearing, especially at higher frame rates.

Double-X 100' rolls Special Order??

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