Bob F. said:I'm not sure why you are getting annoyed with me. As I said, I have sympathy for the situation colour workers are in and understand the constraints you now have. Clearly you agree with me that APUG does not discuss digital steps, you do not do so here, so you must. If you want to change that situation then talk to Sean: it is not my site.
FWIW, I tend to agree with you: given the constraints on colour workers these days some flexibility, expressly for colour, would get my vote.roteague said:Sorry Bob, I'm not annoyed with you, it is more a sense of frustration at being able to participate/not particpate in APUG. I'm welcome to support APUG, financially and in other ways, but my final work isn't welcome. Oh transparency scans are acceptable in the gallery, but participation in the APUG sales gallery isn't. I'm not selling ink jet prints here - which I hate - I'm selling RA-4 Fuji Crystal Archives. My starting point is traditional (film) and end point is traditional (photographic paper), but there are just some things I have no control over - like the reality of the marketplace when it comes to working with color.
I'm also not interested in discussing digital steps, there are plenty of other forums that do that (and which I don't participate in). But, I do acknowledge the use of a Chromira printer.
Bob F. said:FWIW, I tend to agree with you: given the constraints on colour workers these days some flexibility, expressly for colour, would get my vote.
Cheers, Bob.
Shane Knight said:This is one of many reasons why I have stuck with traditional materials. This talk of hands being tied, no options... is getting really old. Thank goodness for the folks who chose vintage processes like cyantype and platinum/palladium from true negatives; not an easy road, but they took it.
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Someone above mentioned honesty.....
I wonder if the people that are buying photographs from film users that are using digital processes understand what they are buying. Since I am in the business, I am always scouting out art shows, and it amazes me how many photographers hide or don't mention the fact they are digital printing, but they are real fast about mentioning that they use traditional film... does the customer just assume the prints are traditional.
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Shane Knight
www.shaneknight.com
Please don't appologize, this talk about the lack of support on APUG regarding digital prints becoming a broken record.naturephoto1 said:Gee Shane,
I am sorry that the comments about hands being tied and having no options is getting old to you. I have been a color transparency photographer for over 30 years. Until recently (this past January) I always lived in an apartment with no space for a darkroom. Prior to printing with EverColor Fine Art and Laser Light Photographics using 4 color separation digital negatives and a LightJet or Chromira Machine to print my work I had my work hand printed as Cibachromes or Ilfochromes.
REALLY.... doesn't matter, they are both digital. Your term "true" can very subjective when it comes to grey areas.naturephoto1 said:There is also a big difference between images printed on a LightJet or Chromira machnine and an InkJet/Giclee. Images printed on a LightJet or Chromira machine are printed on true photo paper be it Fuji, Kodak, or Ilfochrome. InkJet/Giclee prints are either on a paper designed for printing by such machines, water color paper, or canvas.
Did I mention your name; nope.naturephoto1 said:As to your comment about honesty. All of my hand printed Cibachromes/Ilfochromes or Fuji SuperGloss images and my digital output as a 4 color separation print or a LightJet or Chromira print have always been identified as to what they were to the public at Art Shows and in galleries.
Rich
Shane Knight said:I chose cibachrome/ilfochrome... not easy and not cheap. I had to make many changes in business, where I live, the way I shoot..etc.... but it is very worth it. One of the greatest benefits is that I am offering a product made my hand without any talk of digital.
Shane Knight said:This is one of many reasons why I have stuck with traditional materials. This talk of hands being tied, no options... is getting really old.
roteague said:It must be nice living near one of the few remaining optical ilfochrome printers left, as for me, I'm not interested in getting into the hazmat shipping business, nor am I ready to move to where you live.
roteague said:And quite frankly, I'm getting quite fed up with your "holier than thou" comments.
Shane Knight said:Who says you have to live near the lab? I am doing business with these guys all the time and I am almost 1000 miles away from them. You say you are scared of sending transparencies in the mail... don't you send them to West Coast Imaging to get scanned?
Shane Knight said:for example..........????
srobb_photo said:Well, I guess maybe I might get shot after starting all this mess. Maybe I don't belong here since I am not a "purist" analog photographer. It could be because I don't happen to have the funds for a darkroom and don't live near anyplace where I could use one. I do however have a close by lab that does slide developing. About the only one in the state that does I believe.
jnanian said:hi srobb
no need to worry about the fire-storm. this one has been raging for many months ... stay for a while and see how things are before flying the coop.
there are all sorts of people here doing all sorts of stuff.
i think you may find many people who are in similar situations as you are, they just don't advertise it.
btw - welcome to apug!
naturephoto1 said:Yes Scrobb, welcome to APUG. Sorry about this "debate", but as John (jnanian) mentioned this has been going on for months. Different members have different views on this topic and at times our opinions may get the best of us. Sean has a sister site in preparation that many of us (particularly color transparency shooters) hope will give us a venue and a home.
Rich
naturephoto1 said:Shane,
Robert and I for example only send out our transparencies one time that puts them in potential jeopardy of loss or damage. To print them by hand as you do requires that they be shipped and handled every time they are printed (as well as for every size that they are printed if they are printed at different times). Robert and I print our images in many many sizes from the same original file. They do not get handled again and again as do yours.
Rich
Shane Knight said:snip
Regarding my attitude:
Lately you and Roteague have a pretty poor attitude when this subject comes up and both of you are getting more aggressive about expressing your point which is trying to get your digital process accepted here on APUG.
Maybe its just me, but you guys make it sound that you speak for all of us color photographers and that we need special attention and rules because of the processes you have chosen.
Both of you have so much to offer to this site, but can you just keep APUG APUG.
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peace-
Shane
naturephoto1 said:Shane,
Points perhaps well taken. There are many of us in this situation however. Perhaps we have gotten a bit more aggressive, but like you we have strong feelings about the subject. We can agree to disagree.
Hope we can just go forward from this and continue as if this did not happen.
Rich
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