Fotospeed CD11 developer might be a suitable alternative, although it designed for machine processing, it should work perfectly well in a print tray.Hello all,
I am coming to the end of my stock of Dokumol and Eukobrom which I use exclusively.
Now that Tetenal are no more can anyone suggest any alternatives for cold to neutral developers with deep blacks?
Anyone else here facing the same situation?
Any advice most appreciated as usual.
What qualities are you looking for in a print developer?
Any MCC users here?
Cold to neutral with deep blacks that does not exhibit any hint of a green cast regardless of paper.What qualities are you looking for in a print developer?
Yes but I am not one of those who has spend hundreds of even thousands hours in the darkroom and has a densitrometer.
MCC has a long shelf life and higher capacity than Dektol and black seems to be more black is all I can say.
Is there really such a thing? What papers do you actually use?Cold to neutral with deep blacks that does not exhibit any hint of a green cast regardless of paper.
Is there really such a thing? What papers do you actually use?
Cold to neutral with deep blacks that does not exhibit any hint of a green cast regardless of paper.
A long working solution life would also be preferable.
Fomatone 532/542
That would also be the route I'd suggest, although not necessarily this particular product. Take a fairly active print developer and add a good amount of benzotriazole. I'd start with an MQ developer though, instead of Moersch' approach of PQ.Moersch SE6 Blue
ml: | 1000 |
Metol | 3 |
Sodium sulfite | 40 |
Hydroquinone | 12 |
Sodium carbonate decahydrate | 200 |
KBr | 0.8 |
Dilution: 1+2 | |
Add to working solution: | |
Benzotriazole 1% | 1 – 3ml |
Stock | 1000 |
Sodium sulfite | 180 |
Hydroquinone | 53 |
Phenidone | 2.2 |
Benzotriazole 1% | 150 |
Dissolve; white precipitate forms. Then add: | |
NaOH | 35 |
Either Adox MCC or Fotospeed CD11 developers should be suitable. Both as far as I know are replenishable and both are said to yield neutral to slightly cool blacks with a very good working capacity.Cold to neutral with deep blacks that does not exhibit any hint of a green cast regardless of paper.
A long working solution life would also be preferable.
In my experience yes there is, at least to my eyes.
As I don't like to use selenium, I searched for a developer that would give me that cooler look. That is how I came to use both developers exclusively for years.
I use Ilford Classic Fb matt and gloss, Fomabrom 111/2 Fomatone 532/542, Forte PW to name a few.
I’m really interested in this. What does the benzotriazole actually do in this context?Take a fairly active print developer and add a good amount of benzotriazole.
I'm not really sure, but there are two pathways I can see the BTZ would alter image tone towards more cool/neutral hues:What does the benzotriazole actually do in this context?
Some organic compounds in the developer will adsorb to
the silver halide crystal during development and cause a
change in the developed image structure. It has been shown
that benzotriazole (structural formula shown in figure 1.)
in the developer covers only 10-15% of the silver crystal
surface and that the restraint of physical development is a
direct function of the surface area covered and not
necessarily dependent on the organic agent that is adsorbed
to the surface C213. Benzotriazole may also accelerate
chemical development C143, which in combination with the
restraint of physical development may partially explain the
blue-black toning effect of benzotriazole. It has also been
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shown that organic agents adsorbed to the silver crystal
surface, through development or otherwise, will change the
spectral absorption properties of the silver deposit
C22,23D
Thanks, @koraks! I am always awed by the breadth of your knowledge.I'm not really sure, but there are two pathways I can see the BTZ would alter image tone towards more cool/neutral hues:
1: Due to its developing inhibition effect, it may result in overall large silver grains; i.e. small grains aren't developed at all and development only proceeds if the grains are 'pushed over a bump' of minimal critical mass, in a way.
2: The benzotriazole may actually adhere to the silver grains, modifying their spectral absorption.
It seems that mostly #2 is the effect we're looking at here (although maybe if I read the quote below creatively, I can see a hint suggesting at #1 as well), as suggested in this thesis that I just found online (pp2-3):
Perhaps of interest in this thread, here's the (film) developer that the author used for their experiments:
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Interestingly, it's an MC developer (Metol-vitamin C).
The results of this particular research were disappointing for the present thread in that no human-visible color effect was observed, but this was about transmissive density (as opposed to reflective, which is what we'd be interested in here) and on a blue-based film (so any subtle changes were lost in the strong base color anyway).
The TL;DR is that I'd start by chucking a hefty dose of BTZ into the developer and accept that the paper gets reaaaalllly slooooooow (especially Fomatone, which is already quite slow to begin with). Toe shape will likely also be affected; this may or may not be considered as an advantage.
Dokumol was a contrast enhancing developer which manages to increase the contrast of the paper by up to one grade. This was pretty unique and will not be possible with the alternatives mentioned. Eukobrom was a standard blue-black working developer which is quite well matched with Neutol NE from our range. MCC developer is a superior developer yielding a better DMax. We are still wondering if we should bring back Dokumol. What are your thoughts?Hello all,
I am coming to the end of my stock of Dokumol and Eukobrom which I use exclusively.
Now that Tetenal are no more can anyone suggest any alternatives for cold to neutral developers with deep blacks?
Anyone else here facing the same situation?
Any advice most appreciated as usual.
Does it have an effect on today's multigrade papers?Dokumol was a contrast enhancing developer which manages to increase the contrast of the paper by up to one grade. This was pretty unique and will not be possible with the alternatives mentioned.
Wouldn't Neutol BL be a better match?Eukobrom was standard blue-black working developer which is quite well matched with Neutol NE from our range.
What about image tone?MCC developer is a superior developer yielding better DMax.
I’d love to see the full Tetenal sortiment make a comeback, but I know I’m probably just hoping for too much.We are still wondering if we should bring back Dokumol. What are your thoughts?
Dokumol was increasing the contrast chemically so yes, it doe not matter if it is a multicontrast paper or not.Does it have an effect on today's multigrade papers?
Wouldn't Neutol BL be a better match?
What about image tone?
I’d love to see the full Tetenal sortiment make a comeback, but I know I’m probably just hoping for too much.
Dokumol was increasing the contrast chemically
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