Does using digital equipment in a darkroom count as hybrid?

[John51]

Don't want to break any rules.

If a process is analogue all the way but some digital gear was used in an advisory capacity, is it still analogue?

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Do you mean as a fucussing aid?
No. But, I do not know what a "graincam" is.

 

[faberryman]

No. Your enlarger light must be incandescent and you must use a wind-up mechanical timer. (Just kidding! Use whatever tools you find best to create the final image.)

 

[removed account4]

do you mean your fingers ? thats the only digital allowed ..

 

[paul ron]

scanning the negatives count?

 

[AgX]

Do you mean as a fucussing aid?
No. But, I do not know what a "graincam" is.

I assume a graincam is a electronic/digital camera that enlarges an image at the focal plane. (To assist focusing.)

 

[E. von Hoegh]

It might help if the op told us what digital apparattus, and what the hell those pictures are of

 

[AgX]

What I said above.

And I do not see any problem with that as it does not affect the actual imaging-chain. (Well, a modern term...)

 

[John51]

It might help if the op told us what digital apparattus, and what the hell those pictures are of

I thought I'd posted a rpely earlier but must have forgotten to hit the button:

I couldn't find the incandescent bulb for my Zenith enlarger so used a 10w household led one instead.

Mechanical timer for a focusing aid?

graincam is the name I gave to the pic so I could find it easier on my cluttered desktop.

It's a £2 webcam I ordered from China. Removed the lenses and put the lens housing back as a hood. Gives a better image than I thought it would. Pic is of the edge of the film/perforation.

Next step is to mount it onto something flat.

Will the absence of an IR filter matter much wrt focus?

 

[BradS]

Don't want to break any rules.

If a process is analogue all the way but some digital gear was used in an advisory capacity, is it still analogue?

Seriously? ...or, are you making fun of darkroom workers and film users....or being (extremely) satirical?

 

[John51]

It was kind of a brainfart.

Original post was meant to have the title '£2 digital grain magnifier (Prototype)'.

I get to posting the pic, hit 'open' and nothing happened. Try again and still nothing happened.

Then I notice in red lettering the warning about hybrid. Holy whatnot, did some bot just catch the filename of my pic?

I post this thread and there are two pics I thought hadn't uploaded because I got no feedback that they had loaded..

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I thought I'd posted a rpely earlier but must have forgotten to hit the button:

I couldn't find the incandescent bulb for my Zenith enlarger so used a 10w household led one instead.

Mechanical timer for a focusing aid?

graincam is the name I gave to the pic so I could find it easier on my cluttered desktop.

It's a £2 webcam I ordered from China. Removed the lenses and put the lens housing back as a hood. Gives a better image than I thought it would. Pic is of the edge of the film/perforation.

Next step is to mount it onto something flat.

Will the absence of an IR filter matter much wrt focus?

An led bulb is not digital.
What are you using the webcam for?
Ok, just read the above post.
It doesn't matter what you use to focus the enlarger, although I cannot see how you will position your widget atop the easel in the same plane the paper will occupy.

 

[Sirius Glass]

do you mean your fingers ? thats the only digital allowed ..

+1

 

[MattKing]

If you aren't using the equipment to form or modify or save an image using digital methods, it doesn't matter a bit, and has no relevance to Photrio's rules.
Use all the digital tools you want (timers, thermometers, heat sources, darkroom music sources, analyzers et al).
You can even use digital tools to organize your analogue images, and post about those organizational tools here.

 

[faberryman]

OP captured the posted image with a webcam, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't qualify as analog.

 

[John Koehrer]

So it's a digi focusing aid. So What!

And I'm an old cranky luddite.

 

[John51]

I cannot see how you will position your widget atop the easel in the same plane the paper will occupy.

Assuming it is good enough to be useful, I was thinking of having the sensor mounted on a board so it sits at the same height as easel + paper. Focus, move sensor out of the way, move easel where it needs to be.

 

[jvo]

Didn't Dante reserved a ring in hell for digital? l

 

[mshchem]

A easy to use grain focuser for old guys like me ? I love it! Genius ! So if I understand, you have a small WiFi camera focused on the projected image, you view this on a phone or tablet for critical focusing?
If I could stand up straight with a phone in my hand to focus my 8x10 enlarger that would be cool. Patent it

 

[Ko.Fe.]

It was kind of a brainfart.

Original post was meant to have the title '£2 digital grain magnifier (Prototype)'.

I get to posting the pic, hit 'open' and nothing happened. Try again and still nothing happened.

Then I notice in red lettering the warning about hybrid. Holy whatnot, did some bot just catch the filename of my pic?

I post this thread and there are two pics I thought hadn't uploaded because I got no feedback that they had loaded..

Brainfart gets even more complicated now. It looks more like digital fart on the phortio site engine.

BTW, Am I the only one who feels some fart in the phortio name.

 

[John51]

A easy to use grain focuser for old guys like me ? I love it! Genius ! So if I understand, you have a small WiFi camera focused on the projected image, you view this on a phone or tablet for critical focusing?
If I could stand up straight with a phone in my hand to focus my 8x10 enlarger that would be cool. Patent it

Wired, not wifi.

It's a de-lensed webcam. Light from the enlarger shines on the sensor and the image is displayed on my laptop.

My original idea was for a tablet or smartphone that has a front facing camera but even the 'mostly dead' ones were going for over 20 quid. Didn't want to spend that much on something I'd be taking apart and de-lensing as I have a talent for turning mostly dead kit into extremely dead kit.

Now that the concept has been proven, (One crappy image. HA!) I might spring for a mostly dead smartphone/tablet and see how de-lensing it goes.

 

[mshchem]

Wired, not wifi.

It's a de-lensed webcam. Light from the enlarger shines on the sensor and the image is displayed on my laptop.

My original idea was for a tablet or smartphone that has a front facing camera but even the 'mostly dead' ones were going for over 20 quid. Didn't want to spend that much on something I'd be taking apart and de-lensing as I have a talent for turning mostly dead kit into extremely dead kit.

Now that the concept has been proven, (One crappy image. HA!) I might spring for a mostly dead smartphone/tablet and see how de-lensing it goes.

Take a tiny camera and drill a hole in the easel mount it. It's worth playing with however you attempt. I use toy IR goggles to work in total darkness . If that's cheating so be it. Someday I will probably be using a cane to get around my darkroom . Any thing that aids the analog process I'm in favor of !

 

[MattKing]

Folks, it isn't cheating, and it isn't in any way inconsistent with the "analogue" part of Photrio.
Just be sure that if you use it to take photos, you only talk about that on the hybrid/digital part of this site.

 

[John51]

Take a tiny camera and drill a hole in the easel mount it. It's worth playing with however you attempt. I use toy IR goggles to work in total darkness . If that's cheating so be it. Someday I will probably be using a cane to get around my darkroom . Any thing that aids the analog process I'm in favor of !

A quick google only came up with cheapos that use blue leds. What do you use?

I had an idea for diy IR goggles but it's more digi camera hacking and if there's an inexpensive alternative, I'd rather go for that..

 

[mshchem]

Jakks Pacific spy net goggles. I strap them to my head. Very narrow field of view ,two sets of led illumination ,one is pure IR works with everything but IR film. One set of near IR glows red visible light ,I covered these to prevent problems.
I added an auxiliary wide angle lens helps widen view a bit. Has focusing wheel that allows to focus from table top to infinity .
Single camera lens viewed on a little color led display in the goggles, no depth perception, takes some getting used to. You can find used for less than 50 bucks. I would be dead without them. Makes loading sheet film reels a fearless process. Don't try to walk around with these strapped to your head ,you will fall on your butt .
Mike
I am going to call B&H they sell all kinds of Tactical GI Joe crap. I want to find a wide angle stereo 1st Gen night vision setup that I can walk around with.