Yes, yes, dear brother ,, I know that you speak with humor.Yes I feel sad to throw away used chemicals when I know they have much life still left in them.
Would you have me throw away all of the food left after a meal? When I know that I can easily save the extra food and eat again the next day.
Or if I buy new clothes and they become dirty, would you have me throw them away and buy more? When I could very easily wash them to a like-new appearance and wear them again. Is that not wasteful?
So why must I throw away my chemicals when I know that I can easily repair them and use them again?
Momad, I must confess that I'm speaking to you in humor, to pretend as if you are wasteful, which I know that you are not.
On a serious note, my experience is from a photofinishing lab where we used over 5,000 gallons of replenishers every day. That is about 20,000 liters per day. So we have the opportunity to reuse some of this, why not? Everything we can reuse is something that doesn't have to be disposed of, and something that doesn't have to be bought new. And so the money saved can go to pay employees (but more than likely to company profit).
Now this sort of saving is not for everyone, because it takes extra labor and equipment to do it. So you don't want to spend five dollars of work to save one dollar of chemicals. But if your five dollar of work can save, say, five HUNDRED dollars of chemicals, then shouldn't you do it? (Of course you should.)
As a very rough estimate, comparing a typical user of mix-it, use-it, and throw-it-away photo chemicals versus a commercial lab using best practices of replenishment, use of squeegees after every tank, and regenerating bleach and fix, I would say that the commercial lab can have a chemical cost, per roll, about ten times lower. Note that I did not specifically calculate this, just a rough guess from past experience.
HA! This is a good one about food waste! I simply don't like to waste. I like spending an hour or two researching and discussing reuse, even if doesn't save me a dime. It's a blessing and a curse.if I have doubts about its effectiveness, I immediately get rid of it without regret. And in this case as someone who gets rid of his food waste after digesting it and it is not suitable for eating
God bless you brother
Hey @Raghu Kuvempunagar--thanks again for the clear direction where to find this info. It's been a big help and I'm still embarrassed I missed it so easily.Table 7.2 says that SR-29 bleach replenishment rate is 200ml of replenisher per 100 feet of 35mm film which translates into 11g of Ferricyanide and 7g of Bromide.
One tangential question to see if I'm reading that chart correctly. Can I assume the developer can process 100'/L without replenishment?
Ultimately, I'll be working with 1L and I'm curious about a potential time increase compensation which I haven't found commonly published for ECN-2.
Thank you--I totally get that. To be clear, processing and printing B&W stills in my bedroom closet as a young man ultimately led to a career in the film industry; I have several thousand feet of raw 16mm in the fridge now. I am learning a lot about development chemicals, time, replenishment, all the way down to separate rollers and tanks in the machines that I never had to pay paid attention to. The fundamentals of exposing and processing B&W, C-41, and ECN-2 are all something I have experience with, at least by proxy once-removed. I've never processed color it myself, but I know more than enough to be a thorn in someone's side when I'm ready to learn. I appreciate your, end everyone's patience and input.It's a completely different world from what most people here are familiar with.
If you actually tried to process 100 ft of film, by hand, using 1 liter of developer, you would probably finish up with only about half your developer left. And it would be suffering pretty badly from "exhaustion."
Thanks a ton! These are both simple and clear. Common sense led me to believe replinishment would have to be done incrementally. That makes sense. Now, don't be mad at me if I experiment with extended time in place of replenishment. I realize motion film processors have a massive volume buffer and are not built to time-compensate. I think experimenting with the documented compensation times for C-41 is a great place to start. If it's remotely informative, I look forward to sharing my findings with the community.But with only one liter of developer, you would ideally be replenishing every roll or two.
Now, don't be mad at me if I experiment with extended time in place of replenishment.
Why do you want a constant renewal to infinity?
You should get rid of him without regreting ..
I keep it somewhere with a swamp full of insects and rodents ,, this is the best help for the environment.
Then I prepare a completely new bleach solution.
- What is the problem ..?
Do you feel sad when you get rid of used bleach solution?
Why do not you feel this sad when you get rid of the consumer developer.?
You must get rid of old chemical solutions when you feel that they have produced the film quantities that you must actually produce.
Life must go and feel that there is a crew of new solutions that is somewhat happy.
@Raghu Kuvempunagar thank you for the question and clarification--super helpful and important. Indeed, I will be doing one or two rolls. I'm aware of the 12/L target with home kits. I was curious about replenishment rate in general--which you and others helped clear up, thank you! Replinishing doesn't seem to make a ton of sense for me right now simply because shelf-life of the replinisher--it'll go bad as fast as the developer and I'm not shooting that kind of volume. Maybe I'll have time someday if I stop asking so many questions-ha!
Thank you for this digression into terminology.
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