Does anyone in this great brown land have some 8x10 film holders to sell me?

OldBikerPete · Jul 3, 2013

I'm thinking of building an 8x10 camera.
I'm building a CNC light duty milling machine which should be able to make a lot of the metalware needed and I have a lathe for knobs and such.
The body will be wood but I don't wanna make film holders.
Peter

SMBooth · Jul 3, 2013

I'll keep my eyes open for you Pete. I don't really want to unload any but when you build the camera and if you still don't have any your ok to borrow a couple.

OldBikerPete · Jul 4, 2013

SMBooth said:
I'll keep my eyes open for you Pete. I don't really want to unload any but when you build the camera and if you still don't have any your ok to borrow a couple.

Thank you Shane. I suppose it's best I tell you now that I'm planning on picking your brain about how-to's - particularly about making the bellows .

SMBooth · Jul 4, 2013

You can ask, but Ive never made them. I'll come and watch/help if you like because it something I would like to know. I do think I have some docs about making them I could shoot across to you.

JohnC · Jul 4, 2013

DD's

Pete, try phoning B&W photographics, (Invermay/Launceston) 03 63266788. He has a shop-full of old stuff.

LJH · Jul 4, 2013

OldBikerPete said:
Thank you Shane. I suppose it's best I tell you now that I'm planning on picking your brain about how-to's - particularly about making the bellows .

Pete,

I started on an 8x10 in the last 6 months (albeit on hold as I've changed my mind to a 7x17).

Clint Eastwood said in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations". I know mine: I can't build bellows!

As such, I bought a Sinar 8x10 bellow. Sinar was critical for me, as it will allow me to use a Sinar shutter. Vitally important to me as I have a few barrel lenses.

So, to get to the crux, have you thought about buying bellows?

I have found that http://www.jbhphoto.com/vcam/vcams1.htm is a great site for getting ideas on how to do thing. Not sure if you've seen it?

Molli · Jul 4, 2013

I'm headed out to my friend's second hand camera store at a more reasonable hour today - I'll keep my eyes open for you and, if Jack (the owner) has any, I'll get him to put them aside for you. Since film holders are completely outside my area of expertise, I'll try and get as much of a description on what he has and get back to you later today.

OldBikerPete · Jul 5, 2013

Thanks, Molli.

JohnC · Jul 5, 2013

I checked B&H price for a 10x8 DD. Just under A$300 with post - ouch. The problem Pete is that we and many 10x8 users only used them for studio still-life set-ups... shoot, send off to lab, wait for confirmation it wasn't sitting at the bottom of a tank, do next set-up.. Only one DD or two needed per camera.

Caution... somebody may offer you an oldie, grooved to take glass plates instead of film.

Molli · Jul 5, 2013

Sorry to let you down, Peter, I didn't make it out to Jack's today but will definitely do so tomorrow (and I'll be sure to keep John&Tessa's caution to heart about the glass plates holders).

Molli · Jul 6, 2013

Okay, I found three double sided ones but, now that I've got them home, I think I've messed up! The holders themselves are 8x10, but the inner film area is smaller. Is that right? Anyway, here are pictures of them and, if they are of any use to you I'm more than happy to get them to you during the week whenever it suits you

SMBooth · Jul 6, 2013

Molli the ones in image 1 look correct, measure the internal space , that is the black area between the wooden rails . Should be 8x10 Inches.

Molli · Jul 6, 2013

..... I messed up The internal space is six and a half inches wide by eight and a quarter inches high. Thanks for the information, Shane. As mentioned, my ignorance in this area is boundless!

Sorry, Peter, those were the largest film holders he had. I don't suppose you'd consider making a smaller camera?!

OldBikerPete · Jul 6, 2013

Gee, thanks Molli. You've done very well, indeed.
Now, the mechanics of delivery. Last time our paths crossed, you were down on the Mornington peninsular.
Has that changed?
Please PM me a 'phone number and I'll call you.

Peter.

Molli · Jul 6, 2013

But they're not the right ones, are they?

If you can use them, I would be very happy to deliver them to you rather than you having to trek all the way down here.

OldBikerPete · Jul 6, 2013

Whoops! our two last posts crossed. No, I think those are so-called full-plate holders. If I'm going to fiddle about making a camera, I'll make it for the biggest film my scanner can accommodate. That's 8x10. Besides, I've already got a 5x4 and 8x6 isn't a big enough step up.
Thank you very much for your efforts though, Molli.

Molli · Jul 6, 2013

You're very welcome; I'm just sorry not to have found what you needed.

OldBikerPete · Jul 6, 2013

SMBooth said:
You can ask, but Ive never made them. I'll come and watch/help if you like because it something I would like to know. I do think I have some docs about making them I could shoot across to you.

I received that document, Shane. Very comprehensive instructions. I'm now confident of being able to make the bellows.

OldBikerPete · Jul 6, 2013

LJH said:
Pete,

I started on an 8x10 in the last 6 months (albeit on hold as I've changed my mind to a 7x17).

Clint Eastwood said in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations". I know mine: I can't build bellows!

As such, I bought a Sinar 8x10 bellow. Sinar was critical for me, as it will allow me to use a Sinar shutter. Vitally important to me as I have a few barrel lenses.

So, to get to the crux, have you thought about buying bellows?

I have found that http://www.jbhphoto.com/vcam/vcams1.htm is a great site for getting ideas on how to do thing. Not sure if you've seen it?

I thought about buying a bellows long enough to look up some prices. Then I stopped thinking about it . I've made a copy of those 4 VCams pages. Very interesting. The hardware scheme looks pretty much like a copy of the Deardorf cameras. I've been collecting photos of 8x10 cameras on eBay to get an idea of hardware designs.
Shane has sent me a document which lays out the procedure for bellows manufacture very clearly. Consider it a leaf-shutters resource. I'm sure Shane would send it to anyone interested and if it's alright with Shane, I would send it.

FYI, I'm thinking perhaps I can use ball-bearing drawer slides as part of the bellows extension mechanism. There is a model which extends from 30cm to 60cm - and many bigger sizes also.
Dead Link Removed or http://drawerslidedirect.com.au

SMBooth · Jul 6, 2013

You can send to anybody, I think in come from the same site as LJH linked to anyway.

Wyno · Jul 7, 2013

I knew you'd eventually come over to the dark side and have an 8x10. Good on you Pete.

OldBikerPete · Jul 8, 2013

Thanks Mike.
What I'd really like to do is a dry run of my printing procedure. To do that I need an 8x10 neg with some sharply rendered fine detail on it. You wouldn't have one of those which is otherwise ho-hum you could let me have would you?
On second thoughts, forget I asked! None of your shots are ho-hum are they!
Are you still in Canberra? I see from your profile that you're working at Government House.
Getting out to do much photographing?

Does anyone in this great brown land have some 8x10 film holders to sell me?

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