Do you feel like a film hermit?

Woolliscroft · Feb 11, 2007

Two things I used a lot (Kodak Tech-Pan and Panalure paper) have gone completely, but otherwsie, we have two pro level dealers within 20 minutes drive and I don't have much trouble getting anything I want.

David.

eddym · Feb 11, 2007

arigram said:
So, what's your story? Where are you? Is it difficult to get stuff?
What would be your suggestion in improving the situation considering the analog market?

Like you, I live on an island, in my case Puerto Rico, in the Caribbean.
There is only one professional processing lab left here, and it is in San Juan, fifty miles away. They are also the only remaining source for film and camera equipment. But their business has fallen drastically, and honestly, I don't see how they are hanging on. It is a family business, and as the owner is aging, I'm sure it will disappear when he retires. They can no longer process sheet film or E6 roll film; I have to send it to the States. They stock a very limited supply of color film, and almost no B&W. I bought a few rolls of Portra the other day, and one of the employees joked about it, asking me if I were buying it "just for old time's sake."

I buy most of my supplies and all my B&W film and paper from the States, mostly from Calumet, and some from B&H. USPS Shipping is prompt from both, and orders arrive in 3-5 days. The postage amounts to about 10-20% of the cost of the merchandise, depending on what I order and how much.

As for improving the analog market, I have no suggestions except to keep shooting and try to convince others to do the same. If the demand is there for film, paper, and cameras, someone will supply it.

Craig Griffiths · Feb 11, 2007

It has gotten to the stage here that there are only 2 places in town that sell large format film (4x5). When they do have stock the range is limited, and the cost is extremely high. If they dont have what I want, it takes me less time to order and get it delivered from the US than to order what I want locally and wait for delivery. The price is usually only 20-30% of what I pay locally too. 35mm and 120 film I buy locally as there seems to be a greater availability, and I havent had to order stock in as yet. The price is also greater than the cost of an order from the US.
They do usually stock basic chemistry though. As a result I buy my chemistry locally. If I cant get the chemistry I want locally, I buy from interstate and get it shipped.

Black and White paper is also ordered from the US due to the availability problem and also in some cases to price differences.

If there was a place locally where I could rely on supply I would use it even though the cost is higher. I only started ordering overseas when I couldnt get stock locally.

Steve Smith · Feb 11, 2007

I can get a fairly good supply of Ilford films, paper and chemicals from our local Jessops which is a bit of a surprise since I live on a small island of the south coast of England. There are also two independent shops which are 99% digital which also have Ilford stuff but at about twice the Jessops price which is a shame because I would prefer to use a local shop if possible.

I have bought film by mail order with no problems but I wouldn't expect UK to UK delivery to be a problem or expensive.

Steve.

gr82bart · Feb 11, 2007

I've never had a problem getting or processing film and certainly don't feel like a hermit. I get out a lot too and speak with other humans in person. That helps.

Regards, Art.

PatTrent · Feb 11, 2007

There is no local film or photo store here. I have to drive at least 2 hours to find one! I live in a city of 30,000 people, surrounded by cities of the same size, and there are only "photo departments" in the numerous Big Box stores, but no real photo/film store. The only film available at all is consumer color neg, and darkroom stuff?--Forget it!

So it's mail order for everything. The good news is that I have never had a problem with mail order, and if I want to pay the extra cost, I can have it overnight. I usually use regular ground shipping though.

Pat

PhotoJim · Feb 11, 2007

I have a decent local store. They don't stock much of what I want, unfortunately, but I can get reasonably-priced Ilford RC paper in 8x10 and 5x7 size quite easily. 11x14 they order for me. They have single 35mm and 120 rolls of most good b&w films but the 100'/30.5m spools have to be ordered most of the time. Still, it only takes two or three days (they tend to have it in their warehouse in Winnipeg) so it's fast enough, and the pricing is very reasonable. Fibre paper sometimes takes a little longer but at least I know it's fresh, in that case.

As for chemistry, I'm making most of my own now. I do get my rapid fixer from my dealer. They stock small bottles but they order the 5L jugs that I like. I just order a little before I need it. It isn't so bad.

I used to get my E6 film from the local dealer (I still do if I'm under duress) but it's a lot cheaper to mail order it from B&H now, despite the heavy cost of shipping it to Canada, so I get huge orders every year or so and that helps to keep the cost of the shipping reasonable.

I buy very little in the way of photographic consumables on impulse, so having to plan ahead a little is okay. I tend to have too much so it's rare that I actually run out. If anything, I need to have a printing frenzy and use some of my paper up.

Uncle Bill · Feb 12, 2007

I am fortunate to live in Greater Toronto where there is a couple of decent camera stores that still have a darkroom section. I have ordered 35mm film from JanC in the past with no issues, I hope they re-open and still carry Adox in 35mm. A fair chunk of my gear is bought off planet Ebay and local camera shows. I so I do a bit of mail order and some keeping the local guys going.

Bill

arigram · Feb 12, 2007

So I guess, the vocal members of APUG are only the spoilt north americans and brits. Oh, well, I was expecting some interesting tale, I guess people can't lose the opportunity to declare how lucky they are.

Erik Petersson · Feb 12, 2007

arigram said:
So I guess, the vocal members of APUG are only the spoilt north americans and brits. Oh, well, I was expecting some interesting tale, I guess people can't lose the opportunity to declare how lucky they are.

I am not one of them, just a spoiled Swede. But I live in Dushanbe, Tajikistan, where everything is hard to get. If you dont ask anyone of the thousands and thousands of seasonals workers to bring it from Moscow of course, where they go to toil on construction sites. I am sure everything can be arranged against an appropriate fee.

Locally there are dozens of mini labs that do C-41, but they will not return any film without unsubtly scratching it and placing large finger prints on the best frames.

Myself I buy lots of film when I am abroad (Moscow, Istanbul, Stockholm), and try not to develop it here, but sometimes I do so anyway.

Cooki · Feb 12, 2007

Fortunately I work in the photo supply store and I am the guy who orders film. 135, 120, sheet, Kodachrome. The only problem is those digitally blinded ninnies at the purchasing department occasionally need the sharp stick in the eye treatment to get them moving down the true path.

Paul Howell · Feb 12, 2007

Here in Phoenix, at one time I was able to purhase all of my supplies, hardware, paper, chemstray from one of 4 or 5 photo shops. We are down to 2 full service shops, very little hardware although both will order, Illford paper some Forte at one shop, both with a differnt selection of chem. Over the past 2 or 3 years I have been buying more and more from mail order or the internet. I expect that over time even large cities like Phoenix (6th or 5th in the US) supplies will continue to decline. For me the loss is not having as many sales persons who can give advise or even answer questions about product.

Roger Hicks · Feb 12, 2007

arigram said:
So I guess, the vocal members of APUG are only the spoilt north americans and brits. Oh, well, I was expecting some interesting tale, I guess people can't lose the opportunity to declare how lucky they are.

Dear Aristotelis,

What actually happens if you ordr from one of the UK companies? Have you tried it?

The delay might be longer, and in summer, the film might get hotter. So ORDER NOW.

Or am I missing the point? (Entirely possible)

Cheers,

R.

iliks · Feb 12, 2007

Horror story

arigram said:
So I guess, the vocal members of APUG are only the spoilt north americans and brits. Oh, well, I was expecting some interesting tale, I guess people can't lose the opportunity to declare how lucky they are.

You wanted a tale and now you'll get one
I live in a 3rd largest city in Russia, population-wise (1,4mln). It's named Novosibirsk. The fact is, the film is almost 99% dead here and all business is digital. You can buy any of the latest top dSLR's and accessories for them, but you can't, for example, buy a single roll of slide film - it's simply not sold and not comercially processed here. Next, 120 format is completely absent and unheard of. There's just one small firm that can process C41 120 films - provided you have them, because 120 film is not sold here I'm not even talking about larger formats. In fact, there's no professional film lab in the whole 1.4 million city!

The problem with film in Russia is that almost everything is in Moscow. But, unlike your story about Crete/Greece, Moscow is 3000km from me and it takes 2 complete days just to get there by train or 4 hours by flight (in one direction). Both ways will cost you about half of your 'normal' average salary (for many, many people it would be even bigger part of their salaries).

Mail orders are also hard, there's just one store that sells chemicals over internet and Russian post also leaves much to be desired. I don't know of any e-shops that will send you film.

So, to sum it up, messing with film in parts of Russia that are far from Moscow is complete insanity nowadays. Yes, I am insane

arigram · Feb 12, 2007

Roger Hicks said:
Dear Aristotelis,

What actually happens if you ordr from one of the UK companies? Have you tried it?

The delay might be longer, and in summer, the film might get hotter. So ORDER NOW.

Or am I missing the point? (Entirely possible)

Cheers,

R.

I have ordered a few times from UK companies, including Robert Hall, RH Designs, Kentmere and Amazon UK. I have stated more than once that I don't like the "overseas" shipping charges (there is a bloody tunnel under the Channel and for one, no one charges "overseas" for Crete) but delivery is fast and reliable. The difference is that Fotoimpex for example has a flat rate throughout Europe and the UK companies only offer such inside the british islands. In that respect, delivery of heavy items is very cost prohibitive and feels like the UK is not European territory.
But we digress.

Roger Hicks · Feb 12, 2007

arigram said:
... feels like the UK is not European territory.

Dear Aristotelis,

Ah, yes. Point taken. Sorry I'd not spotted it before.

I always order my Land Rover parts from a UK company with a £5 (call it 7.5 euro) flat charge in most of Europe. I'm puzzled that no UK photo exporters I know have the same policy.

Cheers,

R.

Michel Hardy-Vallée · Feb 12, 2007

arigram said:
So I guess, the vocal members of APUG are only the spoilt north americans and brits. Oh, well, I was expecting some interesting tale, I guess people can't lose the opportunity to declare how lucky they are.

Well, yes, to a certain extent. Iliks's story is a proof of this fact.

For my part, I can only say that when I'm online I'm a film imperator because of all the information, people, and products I can reach. But when I switch off the computer it's cold and dreary. Photo stores employees all have the depressed tone in their voice when talking about film, as if they were run into the ground by it, and in need of a digital revitalization. Of course, the products are still on the shelf, so it's really not terrible, it's just that I feel like I'm a weird kind of customer for loading up on bulk rolls and powder chems.

BrianShaw · Feb 12, 2007

arigram said:
... and feels like the UK is not European territory.
But we digress.

Actually, that point really isn't a digression, Ari, it is the crux of the matter. doesn't the UK still use Pound Sterling as their currency, not the Euro? What makes you think they are European? They weren't European a decade ago when I was last there.

But now I really digress!

I understand your feelings... but don't hate those of us who are lucky enough to buy off the shelves.

Your buddy,
Brian (a spoiled American who can buy over-the-counter almost anything photographic that is still made by driving over the hill to Hollywood).

Roger Hicks · Feb 12, 2007

BrianShaw said:
They weren't European a decade ago when I was last there.

Still aren't. I was last there in November and will be there again at the end of this month (for Focus). And yes, it's still the pound sterling, currently standing at positively Churchillian heights against the American rupiah, sorry, dollar.

I met my wife in LA and used to live in California, close enough to drive to Hollywood when I needed things.

Silverprint in London is even better for materials and chemistry than my favourite Hollywood stores (I moved back to the UK from California), but the parking's a bloody sight easier in Hollywood than London.

Cheers,

R.

Jorge Orte Tudela · Feb 12, 2007

arigram said:
and feels like the UK is not European territory.

It's hard to consider UK as "Europe", don't they use the non-metric system too?

But if you ask me, Spain is Africa... :rolleyes:

Ole · Feb 12, 2007

It's still possible to buy film in Bergen, Norway - as long as you want 35mm C41. The others can be found or ordered with a little searching, but I find it easier to mail (internet) order. There are a few good Norwegian webshops, but if I want a lot, and soon it's faster and cheaper to order from Germany. In the UK, Retro Photographic is the only one I've ordered from.
In Germany I've used Monochrom for the hard-to-get items like Bergger papers, and Nordfoto for large orders of sheet film.

There's also the additional problem that Norway is in Europe, but not in the EU...

Steve Smith · Feb 12, 2007

Jorge Orte Tudela said:
It's hard to consider UK as "Europe", don't they use the non-metric system too?

As far as possible, most of us (at least, those of my age and older) still use the imperial measurement system despite having the metric system taught in schools since about 1970.

Steve.

Jorge Orte Tudela · Feb 12, 2007

Steve Smith said:
metric system taught in schools since about 1970.

Oh, I didn't know. But you're still driving in the wrong side

Black Dog · Feb 12, 2007

Send in the gunboats!

Jorge Orte Tudela said:
Oh, I didn't know. But you're still driving in the wrong side

Foreigners Fawlty, foreigners

jstraw · Feb 12, 2007

Black Dog said:
Foreigners Fawlty, foreigners

Whatever you do, don't...mention...the war. I did once but I don't think they took notice.

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