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Discontinued B&W Film

For those missing out on Agfa APX 100/400 - Rollei Retro 100 and 400 are the same films. Left over master rolls from Agfa Photo.

I am really getting frustrated about Technical Pan. It's a great film and i'm running out of it in 120 size
Special occasions only now.
 
So what is it about Agfa APX that makes people miss it so much? It seems like a lot of people here love the stuff and would like to get their hands on an endless supply of it!!!

I've got my first roll of APX100 loaded in my Maxxum 7 and have only shot maybe half a dozen frames so far - I'm starting to wonder if I'm good enough to do it justice

Maybe I should hurry up and shoot it so I can see what the fuss is about - and buy a few more rolls for the freezer before local stock runs out

Regards,
Gordon
 

Grey tones.
 
flashgumby said:
So what is it about Agfa APX that makes people miss it so much? I
Gordon
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Quite simple, it's a superb film, it's the only 100 ISO B&W film to have a true effective 100 EI and produce excellent tonality. It's also very fine grained particularly used in conjunction with Rodinal.

Ian
 
flashgumby said:
So what is it about Agfa APX that makes people miss it so much?
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What others said before me, but IMHO, the suggested development times that Agfa provided are high.

@Ian: Since you used Rodinal for it, what would be your suggestion for the 1+50 dilution?
 
Sorry I don't have my old notebook handy (it's back in the UK), but the Agfa times published in the late 80's and 90's were spot on. Have found a snapshot of a page though

APX100 Rodinal 1+50 13 mins 20°C normal inversion agitation. But I often used 2+75 for normal development 9mins @20°C

Ian
 
It looks like, pretty much, any film spelled with a "p" or an "x" in its name gets the axe (especially any film spelled with an "x")!!1

PS - Where's Ilford Pan F+ 50 in 4x5?
 
Brandon D. said:
It looks like, pretty much, any film spelled with a "p" or an "x" in its name gets the axe (especially any film spelled with an "x")!!1

PS - Where's Ilford Pan F+ 50 in 4x5?
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Simon has commented a few times that the emulsion of Pan F won't work on a sheet film base as is.
 
flashgumby said:
So what is it about Agfa APX that makes people miss it so much? It seems like a lot of people here love the stuff and would like to get their hands on an endless supply of it!!!

Regards,
Gordon
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Like Ian said APX 100 had superb tonality. I develop it 1:50 in Rodinal for 13 mins too and love it.

The APX range all seemed to have good tonal range, even the 25 had a longer tonal range than competitors products IMHO.
I have a few rolls of 120 left, I hope that Mirko at Fotoimpex can replicate the APX look it was without doubt a special film.
I've been looking for my favourite APX shot, not sure if this is wholly representative


I will use some rolls up on my holiday next week....
Mark
 
Brandon D. said:
It looks like, pretty much, any film spelled with a "p" or an "x" in its name gets the axe (especially any film spelled with an "x")!!1

PS - Where's Ilford Pan F+ 50 in 4x5?
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Or something I like to use!

Steve
 
I'd add that finest 35 negs/prints I've ever seen have been made on APX100 with Rodinal, they looked like prints from 120 negs, no grain, very sharp. amazing tonality.

They were from a 35mm worker - Peter Goldfield We took the skills to 120 & 5x4 mit Rodinal

Ian
 
Panatomic-X, Verichrome Pan, High Contrast Copy 5069, 2475, 2484, Royal-X, Agfapan 400 (pre-APX film), PXP 220, Fuji 35mm b&w films in 100' rolls, Technical Pan in 120 and 35mm, Kodak Imagelink 35mm & wider formats (I heard they were discontinued), Adox KB-21, ORWO NP-17, NP-21, NP-27.
 

Hmm...where did you hear that ImageLink HQ was discontinued?

It's extremely hard to find (the only outfit that sold it retail in N. America was J&C)...but I belileve it's still in production.
 
I've always wished I could have shot some Super XX. I LOVE the pictures taken with that in the pre-tri-x days.
Vic
 
It's been a quarter century since I've shot and processed LF B&W. I was a young fool well on my way to becoming the next Ansel Adams... HAH!! I still remember the old Agfapan 25 that was my favorite developed in Rodinal 1:50. Nothing at the time could touch it's ability to render tones with such clarity. I exposed for shadows and developed for highlights, of course, but I did mine a little differently. I found that underdeveloping to render flat negs and restoring overall contrast via selenium toning rendered far superior images. It seems the toner was able to extend highlight density more acurately beyond the shoulder (in a straighter line) than development alone could. This allowed me to expose more for the shadows thus fully opening them up without ever blocking the highlights with over exposure/development. Texture was always present where I planned it to be throughout the tonal range from absolute black to pure white. Of course underdevelopment affected film speed somewhat. As I recall, I rated Agfapan 25 at 15 ISO (ASA at the time). Selenium toning, along with careful treatment, washing, and storage helped to assure long-lived film and prints. I printed on Ilford Gallery DW... can't remember the developer but the goal was the same... to preserve accutance and keep highlights from going mushy and shadows from blocking. Gallery had an awful olive gree coloration but selenium toner cooled things down very nicely with an ever-so-subtle violet tone. It had the same effect on paper as it did on film except the reverse was true... it deepened shadows without blocking. The combination was quite nice, I thought. Ahh... but what did I know? I was just a kid.

Anyway, as a side note, I'm looking forward to getting back into lanscape photography but I'll be cheating this time... shooting color negs, commercial processing, scan/edit in PS, and have final images printed commercailly. Yes, I know I'll never experience the terrific tonal range possible with careful monochrome fiber based papers but hey... I'm an old lazy grouch these days.
 
JBrunner said:
Yes. Of all the holes, this is the one that earns the bird when someone says move on, find something else, because there flat out isn't.
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Have you checked out Dead Link Removed ?

There's hope yet from ADOX that we could have the real thing back someday...if the demand is there.
 
APX in any size,
Kodak 4x5 Pack Film
HIE (although I could never afford it while around)
Kodak Recording Film

for paper..
Kodak, Forte.

Grrrrr.
 
Andy K said:
HIE. The discontinuation of HIE was a crime.
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I agree, but I am trying to worry about using what is still available.
Michael
 
A fellow photo.netter contacted some microfilm supply houses looking for Imagelink film in 35mm 100' perforated rolls. He was told that it was discontinued.
 
dynachrome said:
A fellow photo.netter contacted some microfilm supply houses looking for Imagelink film in 35mm 100' perforated rolls. He was told that it was discontinued.
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Most microfilm is used unperforated. I suspect you would have to get a thrid party like filmotec or maco to perforate it for you.
 
cmacd123 said:
Most microfilm is used unperforated. I suspect you would have to get a thrid party like filmotec or maco to perforate it for you.
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This must be it. Nobody is "finishing" the film (i.e. applying perferoations).

Perhaps with the advent of ATP 1.1 there wasn't enough demand.
 
As many others, I miss APX 25 (120) and APX 100(4x5), then the Readyload version of TMX 4x5.
Papers I miss: Polymax FA, and the old Oriental graded paper in the light blue boxes (on Mitsubishi paper mills support, it was such a smooth baryta paper). I used to miss Agfa MCC, but soon (September) we'll have Adox MCC..
 
clayne said:
APX in any speed or size.
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I just bought a roll of Agfa APX 400 the other day. Is there something I'm missing? :confused: Is it just rebranded somethingelse?
 
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