Direct Positive Paper Beginners Guide

Ces1um · May 23, 2021

I'm wondering if anybody has a beginner's guide (think along the lines of a "for dummies" book) on how to use Ilford's direct positive paper? I'd be starting from scratch so I guess what I'm looking for is an intro kit where the paper, necessary chemicals, and even hardware (like a tray to hold the chemicals) and whatever else is necessary is found altogether. Does anyone know if there's a video guide anywhere on how to develop and dry the paper (so it doesn't curl)? While I have darkroom experience I have never had to mix chemicals and my experience with paper was to put it into the ilford automatic processor. I haven't found much on Youtube and Ilford's contact page won't load on my browser (This page isn't working, Ilford.com has redirected you too many times).

I'd likely start with their 4x5 paper, and would purchase either a 4x5 pinhole camera or potentially even a lensed large format camera to use this product.

Can anybody point me in the right direction? Thanks for your time.

pentaxuser · May 23, 2021

What browser do you have? I have Google and I can download all of Ilford's instruction sheets. Given the need and desire for Ilford to make its instruction sheets available to customers I'd have thought that it was to most if not all browsers?

Unfortunately it won't let me copy and paste the instruction sheets here. Maybe that's deliberate but I don't know. I can usually copy and paste the likes of YouTube videos

pentaxuser

Willyekerslike · May 23, 2021

Try

https://www.ilfordphoto.com/

Ces1um · May 23, 2021

pentaxuser said:
What browser do you have? I have Google and I can download all of Ilford's instruction sheets. Given the need and desire for Ilford to make its instruction sheets available to customers I'd have thought that it was to most if not all browsers?

Unfortunately it won't let me copy and paste the instruction sheets here. Maybe that's deliberate but I don't know. I can usually copy and paste the likes of YouTube videos

pentaxuser

I'm using Chromium on my raspberry pi 400. I haven't had issues with other web pages and just tried their contact us page again with no more luck. I'll try to load the mobile version of the page and see if I have more luck. Thanks for trying.

Ces1um · May 23, 2021

Willyekerslike said:
Try

https://www.ilfordphoto.com/

That link opens up the main page, which I could get to before. I was trying to load the contact us page however. I can get to their downloads section but the only thing I can download is their product brochure list (has a small write up about all their products). I did just find their technical data sheet on the product though so I just wasn't looking in the right place. Thanks for taking the time though to try and help. I also reached out to Mike Rosso at the film photography project and he's given me the name of a youtuber who has some information about large format in general along with development of this paper. I'm going to start watching those videos tonight. Pretty good of a youtuber to respond to a viewer. Once I get my camera I'll definitely buy the chemistry and paper from the fpp store. Looks like I have a lot of learning to do.

pentaxuser · May 23, 2021

Willyekerslike said:
Try

https://www.ilfordphoto.com/

Yes unfortunately I suspect this is the very site with which the OP is having the problem and the one to which I refer when I said that it allows me to download the instruction sheets but prevents me from cutting and pasting it for Photrio.

However, just in case, OP, is the linked site the one to which you have tried to download and failed? If so contact with IlfordPhoto may be required unless someone here can find the cause and present a solution.

If worse comes to the worst and you need it in a hurry then let me know by PM and I can send it to you as an attachment, assuming that the Photrio conversation route allows me to send an attachment. If not, then give me your e-mail and I can send it that way.

pentaxuser

MattKing · May 24, 2021

Are you unable to access this: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/1739/product/720/ ?

MattKing · May 24, 2021

How about this:

pentaxuser · May 24, 2021

Matt does this mean that you too were unable to cut and paste direct to Photrio as well. I noticed that Ilford would allow me to do what you have done which is download the whole file to my computer and which I then would appear to be able to attach as you have done?

I wonder why it prevents cut and paste give that there are ways round that as you have demonstrated?

Thanks

pentaxuser

AgX · May 24, 2021

This current issue aside, I found the old site design from a few years ago much more better layed out and not confusing.

pentaxuser · May 24, 2021

AgX said:
This current issue aside, I found the old site design from a few years ago much more better layed out and not confusing.

I agree but I suspect the "new" site is designed for "new" photographers of which a good number of us here are not, I suspect.

pentaxuser

MattKing · May 24, 2021

pentaxuser said:
Matt does this mean that you too were unable to cut and paste direct to Photrio as well.

I am not sure what you mean by that?
Normally, I just share a link - which I did in my first post.
Sometimes, if it is small enough, I'll download a document to my computer, then upload it to a post - which I did in my second post.
If neither approach works, I've tried using a "Screen Snip", and then copied that picture file into a post, but that is both awkward and slow.

Ces1um · May 25, 2021

MattKing said:
Are you unable to access this: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/1739/product/720/ ?

Thanks for your help, but I was unable to access their contact page, not their product info. I was able to find the technical download file though (see post 5). Appreciate it though!

MattKing · May 25, 2021

Ces1um said:
Thanks for your help, but I was unable to access their contact page, not their product info. I was able to find the technical download file though (see post 5). Appreciate it though!

You are, of course, absolutely right.
This is the contact page: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/contact-form/
I'm wondering if it has something to do with cookies. Do you permit them from Ilford Photo?

Ces1um · May 25, 2021

MattKing said:
You are, of course, absolutely right.
This is the contact page: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/contact-form/
I'm wondering if it has something to do with cookies. Do you permit them from Ilford Photo?

I do permit cookies but I have seen some sites show up saying "it looks like you're using an ad blocker", which I am not. The error that showed up did mention something about cookies but also says "too many redirects". I do wonder if my browser, Chromium, is my issue. Now that being said, your link worked today. If I go to Ilford.com and work my way through the support and then the contact us menu I temporarily get the error and then the page will load. That's much better than the other day.

AgX · May 26, 2021

Ces1um said:
If I go to Ilford.com and work my way through the support and then the contact us menu I temporarily get the error and then the page will load. That's much better than the other day.

Be aware that Ilford.com is the site of very different firm.
Namely the legal remnant of what after the first Ilford bancrupsy became Ilford Imaging, the swiss production entity of Ilford, that also owned all brand name rights. This entity got dissolved meanwhile as production entity and the name rights are now at a japanese production entity.

Ces1um · May 26, 2021

AgX said:
Be aware that Ilford.com is the site of very different firm.
Namely the legal remnant of what after the first Ilford bancrupsy became Ilford Imaging, the swiss production entity of Ilford, that also owned all brand name rights. This entity got dissolved meanwhile as production entity and the name rights are now at a japanese production entity.

This was the Ilford site in question.
ILFORD PHOTO | The home of B&W film photography
I see the difference you're talking about if you type in ilford.com vs clicking this link (if you see the actual full address it's ilford.com/etc.etc.etc.)

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