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I find it incredible that a processing machine will not allow you to retain one of the processing steps bath; either for re-use or discarding correctly later.
C41 Bleach is the most expensive part of the C41 process and it has approximately double the capacity of the developer part of C41, as does the fix solution.
C41 bleach has a specific pH requirement to work correctly, and although I'm not a chemist, I would think diluting the bleach bath with 50% of water would possibly change the bleach pH outside of the bleach pH requirements. Best would be to dilute some C41 bleach with 50% water and measure the pH compared to the standard C41 bleach pH.
I was re-halogenating my C41 bleach solution using a simple fish tank aerator
I think the Kodak replenishment rate is something like 9mL per 36 exp roll.
The six and a half minutes is only there as it is a doubling of the developer time of three minutes fifteen seconds. This is (I believe) mainly brought about by the plethora of Dip N Dunk machines which dip the film into a developer bath for 3 minutes, then starts raising the rack up, then moving the whole shebang forward, then dropping the film rack into the next bath with completion approximating to 3'15" give or take depending whether the film is at the top or bottom of the rack. For super critical stuff we would always have sheet film in the centre of the racks
The bleach and fix baths are double length baths, so the film rack goes up on the next cycle and is then dropped back into the bleach (or fix bath) for a second cycle; hence the 6½ minutes.
C41 is the shortest commercial developing cycle I know of, time in the first bath is critical for film speed and many other factors. A plus or minus of 15 seconds is around ½ a stop pull or push. The temperature at 37.7ºC (carried) is also critical for nailing things down. Although there is supposedly a real lot of give or take with C41 processing; for really on the money processing with good films, nothing beats perfect processing. The results of careful film exposure combined with careful film processing control, can lift your end result from pretty good to stupendous in a home processing situation.
For quite some time I was involved with Dip N Dunk C41 and E6 processes using Kodak chemistry and monitoring film strips etc. Sometimes when things went awry, the film racks would be lifted up, they didn't move forward and were then dropped back into whatever bath they came out of. Providing it wasn't the developer bath, the film would survive and within reason it could be there for some time. This happened at least twice on my shift in my time with these machines.
What I 'm suggesting is that if you can change the cycle length of your bleach bath to offset the possible weaker bleach solution this may also help you somewhat with your completion issue, if in fact it is an issue. Thinking out loud here.
For many years I was re-halogenating my C41 bleach solution using a simple fish tank aerator, then adjusting the pH back. I was rotary processing in a Jobo and using 500ml of solution at a time for four rolls of 135 film or four sheets of 4x5" film. There is always some solution loss in the tanks, plus evaporation losses due to heat, so around every 10 developing runs I would decant down to around 250ml add 500ml of fresh bleach then top up with the old stuff to 1000ml, discarding the used solution. Roughly every 20 developing runs, I would mix up a fresh litre of bleach and start all over again.
Short of running a Kodak C41 control strip through your diluted bleach and then doing a readout of the control strip, I think you'll be winging it. It would probably be alright though. If you have anyone doing commercial C41 nearby, they should have some kind of control monitoring system, worth a shot anyway as you have nothing to lose by asking.
@alanrockwood
No, that's not re-halogenating it, since you're not adding back any used up halide this way! Proper replenishment requires actual rehalogenation. Your method would have worked quite well had you also added some potassium bromide from time to time. But in all honesty, just replenishing 'by the book' is much simpler and still very economical.
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