Dilema: Canon New F-1 with 28mm or Olympus OM-4Ti with 28mm?

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One has to go. I cannot decide though. The legendary New F-1 looks and works awesomely, the OM-4Ti looks also nice and it is small and lightweight compared to the tank, the F-1.
Also, from these and just these two 28mm lenses which one is a keeper? The Zuiko Auto-W MC looks better than the FDn, but I had no time to make a comparison.
Help please!
 

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Keep the F-1N for its professional-level quality and durability. It will easily last another 30 years.

I'm fond of the OM's (I have an OM-2n) and they're elegant cameras, but I think the F-1N is a better long-term choice.
 

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Not knowing anything about the Canon lens, I can only say that the Zuiko 28mm F/2.0 is a stellar performer.
 

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Both great cameras but the F1 every time .Two much on the OM4 to go wrong with and nowadays no fix
 

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One has to go. I cannot decide though. The legendary New F-1 looks and works awesomely, the OM-4Ti looks also nice and it is small and lightweight compared to the tank, the F-1.
Also, from these and just these two 28mm lenses which one is a keeper? The Zuiko Auto-W MC looks better than the FDn, but I had no time to make a comparison.
Help please!

Canon New F-1, no contest.

New FD lenses are mostly as light as Olympus OM lenses (if comparing the same FL and aperture).
The New F-1 is more rugged than any olympus OM-system camera -titanium or not- and the New F-1 has an almost perfect reliability record. The F-1 (all models) just keep going and going, "bombproof" certainly applies.

New F-1 has an amazing viewfinder, bright and sharp, in fact, when I factor the image quality plus the amount of display inside, it is the best viewfinder of any camera i've tried*, this includes the praised Leicaflex SL viewfinder and the (IMO overrated) OM-1 and OM-2 viewfinders. I've not tried a Pentax LX, though.

The viewfinder shows you at the same time three things:
- the selected shutter speed
- the selected aperture
- the meter's recommended aperture

as well, the typical AE Finder FN will tell you the following while on "A" (aperture priority mode):
- selected aperture
- camera's chosen shutter speed.

Moreover, the manual versus "aperture priority" modes switch completely the layout of the viewfinder! So you clearly, always know in which mode you are! This has to be seen to be experienced!

On the F-1 you "customize" your camera as you like. If you like centerweighted metering, you install a screen that gives you that metering pattern. There are also screens for spot metering and for 'partial' metering which is a typical Canon pattern which is wider than spot, and IMHO my preferred pattern. Quicker to use than spot, much more precise and predictable than centerweighted.

The New F-1 also gives you shutter priority if you fit any motor drive to it.

Battery life is excellent on the New F-1, but if the battery dies, just remove it (removing the battery is extremely quick, by the way), and the New F-1 will operate mechanically with the following speeds:
1/2000
1/1000
1/500
1/250
1/125
1/90 (flash)
B

The feel of the shutter button changes in this mode, so you always know you are in "emergency" batteryless mode.

Stop-down lever is easy to use and well placed; the shutter speed dial is also well placed and in the traditional place, compared to the Olympus. Mirror and shutter action is very smooth, on a camera test (by Keppler?) it was measured to be well below average.

The Canon New F-1 is probably the best Canon manual focus camera ever made and perhaps the best manual focus camera i've owned or used, although i'd share that award with the Nikon F2 and the original Canon F-1.

Cons

#1 no indication of "AE compensation enabled" in the viewfinder
#2 No memory lock; it seems Canon thought that you would use the manual mode in strange lighting.
#3 No mirror lock-up, although the F-1 mirror is well damped. However this might matter to you if you do photomicrography or use extreme telephotos.

Compared to the Olympus

The Olympus gives you automatically calculated multi-spot reading, however i'd argue that this is easy to do with the F-1 on manual mode and the spot metering screen. It is intuitive to do, with the needle display. And frankly, the "partial" metering pattern nails you the exposure everytime quickly, on any lighting conditions, if you know how to use it.

The Olympus is smaller and lighter. The New F-1 is a heavy camera although of course not as heavy as a Nikon F5 or such monster.

Alternative

However, if you really need compactness and lightness, my personal opinion is that Pentax has the better compact system, better than the Olympus OM system. If you have the budget for an Olympus OM-4Ti, then you have the budget for a Pentax LX which must be as good as the Canon New F-1 or perhaps better. Also you have the option of the Pentax MX and ME Super, as well.

The Pentax-M lenses are as compact and light as the OM lenses, perhaps lighter in some cases (they were made to directly compete against the OM lenses). Asahi Pentax makes excellent lenses. And then you also have Pentax-K, Pentax-KA lenses to use there. Plus M42 lenses with the original adapter.

* Tried: Leicaflex, Leicaflex SL, R4, Nikon's EL, FE, FE2, F, F2, F3, Nikkormat FT/FT2, FG, FM, EM, almost all Canons, Minolta X-570, XE-5, SRT-101, Pentax Spotmatic, Spotmatic II, ES, K1000, KX, P30. Other cameras as well, too inferior to mention. I have not tried a Pentax LX.
 

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Not knowing anything about the Canon lens, I can only say that the Zuiko 28mm F/2.0 is a stellar performer.

For what it's worth, i own the Canon FD 28/2.0 and it's also a stellar performer. Also, i have no distortion issues at all with my Canon lens. I don't own the Zuiko but the owners here complain of strong barrel distortion:

"the Zuiko 28/2 barrels very significantly"

"in general was showing quite a lot of barrel distortion in architecture, also not so good for people at the edge of the frame. "


http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1586836&postcount=6

Certainly the supplied images show objectionable distortion, at least for me. I hate (barrel/pincushion/mustache) distortion with wideangles.

FWIW, the Pentax-M 28/2.8 is a very good little (compact lens).
The Canon New FD 28/2.8 is also as light as the Pentax-M (or lighter?) but it does show some distortion, although not as strong as in the sample images above.
 
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Also, from these and just these two 28mm lenses which one is a keeper? The Zuiko Auto-W MC looks better than the FDn, but I had no time to make a comparison.
Help please!

If you need wideangles, i love my FDn 28/2.0 and (as i said above) it is a really good lens.

I've tried owned a few canon wideangles -- the FDn 24/2.8 is sharp and has no distortion, the very very old FL 19/3.5R is a huge monster of zero distortion and amazing optical quality. I've seen tests of the FDn 17/4.0 and it's a lens I would love to have.

For 35mm, the old 35/3.5 is very sharp and zero distortion (although it is a big lens), i also own the FDn 35/2.8 which is a sweet little lens with (so far) no ills; the coveted FD 35mm is the FD 35mm F2.0 (classic breech lock model) which is extremely sharp, although it is a big lens. The New FD (FDn) 35/2.0 is a small lens.

Although if you like 35mm lenses, my choice would be the Nikkor-O 35/2, frankly. This is a classic, and I am a proud owner.


 
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It depends

a)Keep F1 if you are doing heavy/rough work.
b)Keep OM4T if you are doing casual work with it.

I own both, and in general (although technically F1 is better build) I enjoy OM4T more. For me, mobility is essential. Don't do any professional/heavy work with it. I pack a 28/50/100 lens on my laptop bag with no problem. Also T32 flash is pretty compact (is odd shaped). I currently own F1 and F1n , plus 3 OM4 (OM4 black, OM4T champagne and OM4T black). None of them have any reliability issues. I don't think battery dependency is an issues (I'm more prone to run out of film than batteries).

Anyway, just pick the one you have more fun with.

Regards

Marcelo
 

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I've preferred the OM system over the Canon system for 40+ years - why would I change now?
Are these the only 35mm SLRs and lenses you own? Are you planning to get additional lenses to go with what you have?
 

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Olympus OM4-Ti looks so much better!
 

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I have about 70 SLRs and 20 MF bodies. Why do you have to get rid of one? Keep them both, they both are unique and we can't decide for you not knowing more about you and what you like to shoot. If it's because of money, find the money somewhere else. You will kick yours in the ass someday for getting rid of it. And when you go to buy one back years from now it will never be as good as the one you let go. i'd once had the same dilema, it was an expensive road back.
 

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I have about 70 SLRs and 20 MF bodies. Why do you have to get rid of one? Keep them both, they both are unique and we can't decide for you not knowing more about you and what you like to shoot. If it's because of money, find the money somewhere else. You will kick yours in the ass someday for getting rid of it. And when you go to buy one back years from now it will never be as good as the one you let go. i'd once had the same dilema, it was an expensive road back.
Over 100 SLRs here... things are like rabbits.

One good thing about Cannons is they make a ping sound when you fire them.
 

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Canon owners will recommend Canon; Olympus owners will recommend Olympus. Everybody has their favorite camera and it not the same one. You just need to try out an OM4 and see if you like its haptics more than the Canon. I doubt you would be able to tell the differences in the resulting images.
 
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Canon owners will recommend Canon; Olympus owners will recommend Olympus. Everybody has their favorite camera and it not the same one. You just need to try out an OM4 and see if you like its haptics more than the Canon. I doubt you would be able to tell the differences in the resulting images.


Completely agree. Lens image quality are not the issue, but user experience at shooting time.


Could be wrong (as usual) but I don't think reliability is an issue with either of the cameras.

Just try this exercise. Get the two kit ready to shoot, with film and all. Make 3 or 5 shooting trips/sessions.

Keep the kit that got picked the most. Sell the other.

Regards

Marcelo
 

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Put them both up for sale and let the public decide for you . . . :whistling:
Like as not, if you post them here, someone will want to buy both!
 

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I've put a few rolls through an OM4Ti which I had agreed to sell to an Olympus collector friend. I have an F1 New and F1n. The Oly has a better looking VF for me, and I will gladly buy it back from my friend when he tires of it, if ever.

You'll have to put some of the same film through both kits and see which works better for you, in results and user experience.
 

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Completely agree. Lens image quality are not the issue, but user experience at shooting time.


Could be wrong (as usual) but I don't think reliability is an issue with either of the cameras.

Just try this exercise. Get the two kit ready to shoot, with film and all. Make 3 or 5 shooting trips/sessions.

Keep the kit that got picked the most. Sell the other.

Regards

Marcelo
I could not agree more even though I would personally choose the Canon F-1 for its near indestructibility
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I have kept the New F-1. Perhaps I will by the OM-4Ti again in the future. I will miss though the build in diopter adjustment and the feather weight of the OM-4Ti. Are there any diopter lenses for the viewfinder of the New F-1?
 

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I have kept the New F-1. Perhaps I will by the OM-4Ti again in the future. I will miss though the build in diopter adjustment and the feather weight of the OM-4Ti. Are there any diopter lenses for the viewfinder of the New F-1?
Yes, there are, but they are hard to locate in the used market. Not sure if they are still available as new items - from Canon perhaps ?
 

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I'm a dedicated Canon F1 user but I also used to sell the Olympus OM4 Ti at the professional dealership I worked at for about twelve years my impressions were that the OM4 was exquisite like fine jewellery that I would enjoy owning and shooting with, but it was a little too sophisticated and refined it lacked the ability to stand the sort of hockey that a pro would expect a camera to be able to absorb on a daily basis, and as far as I remember in 1986 the OM4 Ti body only cost £630 and the Canon F1N- AE was £818 both of which were far more than I could afford in those days when we had two children at university.
 

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Part of my decision, if I had both, would be based on which other lenses I had for each camera. I don't currently have an F1, although one has passed thru my hands in the past. I've used the OM system sense the seventies. Got started because my wife was small and had small hands. The wife is gone however the camera has stayed with me. That worked out OK! As I've celebrated more birthdays, having a lighter camera kit has become an advantage. I like the metering system and the smaller size and would keep the OM 4T. It might not make any difference to you now, however my bet is as you get older you will appreciate the OM system more and more.
 

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I have kept the New F-1. Perhaps I will by the OM-4Ti again in the future. I will miss though the build in diopter adjustment and the feather weight of the OM-4Ti. Are there any diopter lenses for the viewfinder of the New F-1?

Yes, there are, and also the old F-1 diopters fit the New F-1 viewfinder (same screw diameter).

From the Canon New F-1 manual:
"Ten eyesight correction lenses from +3 to -4 diopters are available."
They are called "Eyepiece Ring; Dioptric Adjustment Lenses R".

Also the "Waist-Level Finder FN-6X" has built in diopter correction from -5 to +3.

Here's one of them so you know how they look:
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Enjoy your F-1N!
 
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