Can anyone tell me whether digital images that have been manipulated to simulate film are allowed on this site, or point to the rule where they are disallowed, please?
Ray (+ anyone else who's interested) please have a look at my Silver Efex Pro set on Flickr:
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As I said previously, I don't believe SEP will ever replace or compare with film - but it's great fun to use and the effects are interesting, at least to me.
Best to one and all. Paul.
If the resulting image was printed using an alt process it would qualify as hybrid.Paul, I don't think it is explicitly stated here on Hybridphoto, but the general consensus of what a hybrid workflow is, is that it MUST incorporate some aspect of the analog workflow, and "simulating film characteristics" digitally isn't that...
So, scanning original analog film to allow it to be digitally manipulated IS good. And making digital negatives from a digital capture to be used in an analog alternative process like a true (again not simulated) cyanotype or Pt/Pd print also.
But your suggested workflow doesn't have any analog part, all is done on a computer, it is like a applying a simple digital filter on a digital image... that is not a "hybrid" workflow.
Marco
I will refrain from posting anything that doesn't originate from a scanned negative.Thanks for the interesting variety of responses. However, please let me make one thing absolutely clear;
It doesn't matter to me one way or the other whether digital images made to "look" like film are allowed on this site. I just want to know what the rules are so that I don't break them or risk offending anyone.
What seems clear is that there isn't anything laid down in the laws of the site against posting such images. That said, as the majority seem to prefer that there is some analogue element used to achieve the end result, I will refrain from posting anything that doesn't originate from a scanned negative.
Aside from the shots taken at Chartwell, I think all of the images in the Flickr SEP gallery were taken on digital cameras. I never delete EXIF data, so anything that has a digital signature will show up as such. The shots scanned from negs will show that they were scanned on a Noritsu scanner (belongs to the pro at the shop who processes my film).
For anyone sufficiently interested, SEP can be used as a layer (by using opacity slider) to give a grain texture or add some black and/or a vignette into the mix on a colour shot. All I'll say is don't knock it or dismiss it until you've tried it. It can't and won't replace film but it is a lot of fun to use, in my opinion.
I am very, very familiar with how easy it is to process negs via a cupboard and changing bag as I have done it hundreds, if not thousands of times since 1974. However, I have neither the time nor inclination to do so at the moment. The few quid it costs me to have film processed for me is worth the time saved doing it - and I doubt I could do a better job. I have bought a scanner, though as I needed one for other jobs and the Epson V750 is supposed to be pretty good with film as well.
Thanks again for your responses. Paul.
Guidelines would be helpful, but we may not reach a consensus on what constitutes "hybrid."G'day all,
Seems to me we need a definition as to what constitutes "hybrid" photography.
Such a definition could be displayed as a manifesto on the "home" page, if we had a home page.
What seems clear is that there isn't anything laid down in the laws of the site against posting such images.
Guidelines would be helpful, but we may not reach a consensus on what constitutes "hybrid."For example, do we accept film images as hybrid just because they had to be scanned to be uploaded?
Well, there IS one little statement, it is the main Welcome message you see when you click on the Home link of the HybridPhoto site:
Welcome to Hybridphoto.com, Founded Oct. 2006
HybridPhoto.com is an international community of photographers that combine digital imaging and traditional photographic processes; our forums will grow to contain a highly detailed archive of these processes. This site was born out of the APUG.ORG alt. process subforum where it became evident it needed it's own space.
This was my attempt to describe it, leaving ample of space for different forms of hybrid, including a simple scan:
A hybrid photographic workflow is a workflow that makes use of a light sensitive substance - other than the silicium of a digital sensor - at least at one point in the workflow process.
Marco
Screw the guidelines!
Don
Screw the guidelines!
Don
There it is, we have our answer, and one that I that I endorse and think is appropriate for the circumstances. Uh, I assume the other Mod's are on board with this. They are, aren't they?
George
I'm OK with this -- I also enjoyed the images on Flickr. I felt like a voyeur viewing all the EXIF properties -- nothing hidden there@ Philip;
I was only saying that I'd refrain from posting anything other than processed scanned negatives as I don't envisage using any other analogue medium to make photographs.
@ Ray;
No worries about hijacking the thread as this debate seems to be providing some clarity about what constitutes a "hybrid".
For me, Marco seems to have hit the nail on the head in pointing out the vision statement from the initial page - that the images posted should "combine digital imaging and traditional photographic processes".
Therefore, speaking only for myself, I'm going to stick with my original intentions of posting images created from scanned film negatives / transparencies that have had additional post-processing work done via the likes of Photoshop, Lightroom, Silver Efex Pro and the like.
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