Dif between delta 100 and FP4

mark said:

Good god I HATE grain. I refuse to shoot Kodak for anything to be enlarged because of it, but with an 8x10 neg contact printing I should not see the grain, or does FP4 have boulder sized grain like Tri-x?.

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Are you out of your tree?

TMX is the most grainless pictorial (i.e. not microfiche/lith) film you can buy, bar NONE - it is smoother than the ISO50 and ISO25 emulsions you can/could buy from Efke & Ilford. And TMY2 is likewise the most grainless for its speed - it has less grain than traditional ISO100 emulsions despite easily achieving well over 400. I have a 16x20" print from 6x7 (so 7.2x enlargement) TMY2 (shot at 800!) hanging right next to me and you have to stick your nose right in it to barely make out some grain structure in perfectly-focused eyelashes, otherwise it looks perfectly smooth with NO perceptible grain when viewed at 1m. And I have unusually good vision.

With a contact print, you ain't going to see grain even from a 3200-speed film, not that there are any in 8x10".

I agree that 400TX is a bit grainy, but it is a traditional-style 400-speed emulsion. What did you expect, precisely? Bagging the whole Kodak product line because Tri-X performs as expected is a bit silly. HP5+ is about as grainy and Fomapan 400 is far coarser.

Michael R 1974 said:

You can also tone the negatives in selenium to increase contrast a bit further.

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don't expect more than 1/2 a zone or muchmore than 1/2 grade from that.

mark said:

So much grumpiness over me hating grain. Kind of funny.

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Nah, it was more the snide remark about Kodak films being grainy and Tri-X having boulder size grain, which just isn't true.
Still love that you're here participating, and I hope you find your best film soon.

I still want to hear an answer to the question "if you hate grain, why are you still shooting film?" Haha


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StoneNYC said:

I still want to hear an answer to the question "if you hate grain, why are you still shooting film?" Haha

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Some people make stupid statements and I ignore them.

Sounds like I am going to have to load up some 4x5 delta 100 and see what I can get it to expand too with the suggested developers.

mark said:

Some people make stupid statements and I ignore them.

Sounds like I am going to have to load up some 4x5 delta 100 and see what I can get it to expand too with the suggested developers.

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Sorry for bringing it up then. Look at ilfsol 3 also. It's newer and made by Ilford. Good luck!


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No problem stone. In a forum this size you will have people who really can't see past their own noses.

I have not used ilfosol for too many years to count. I honestly forgot it existed. Thanks for reminding me.

Harry Lime said:

, but if there is one film that would temp me away (and did for a while) it would be TMY-2 400. It truly is a brilliant film.

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thst's truly my favorite too!

mark said:

No problem stone. In a forum this size you will have people who really can't see past their own noses.

I have not used ilfosol for too many years to count. I honestly forgot it existed. Thanks for reminding me.

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Gotcha, and yea there was a different ilfsol out there before ilfsol 3 so it's Newer-ish, and it works best with low ASA Ilford films like pan f plus but seems to work REALY well with some Agfa/GAF films that are old/aged at keeping fog down, but Kodak films it doesn't work so well and there's more fog. Just so far as my experience had shown, as I can't account for storage is the Agfa/GAF vs Kodak films, just that they were all around 30-40 years old.

Good luck!


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