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What is a good glue or adhesive to hold the filter in?
Something that can withstand the heat. It's the cyan filter closest to the bulb.

Super Chromega C dichroic
 
I often use this glue that claims a temperature range up to 200°C.
https://www.amazon.fr/Bostik-029656-Colle-haute-température/dp/B00C7R43XY
Not because of high temperatures, but because it remains flexible, has good adhesion , and yet can be separated with a cutter blade if needed.
Apparently it is not distributed in USA, at least not under that brand.

Bottom line: look for glues intended for automotive applications, high temperatures. Maybe gasket seals.
 
True hi-temp adhesives are available from aerospace and industrial suppliers. I would not include Pliobond in that category whatsoever; it's basically a shoe glue, but is widely available. The advantage of hi-temp RTV silicones is that they can be relatively easily removed if necessary later because they won't go brittle. The disadvantage is that no non-silicone adhesive will stick afterwards. Since filter holders are often made from aluminum, you have to use a silicone not containing acetic acid, or there will be a slow failure of the bond with aluminum. And that's the Achilles heel of most off-the-shelf hardware or automotive store options. Expect to pay about ten times more for a tiny tube of high temp aerospace silicone compare to a full caulk-gun size tube of ordinary stuff. But that's way more than enough. Last time I used aerospace silicones for a colorhead, it had around a 500C rating, and that was not even the upper limit available. There are also high-temp epoxies, but they're less forgiving in application, and certainly cantankerous in removal. ... I'm now editing this to add the observation that even certain adhesives that might not become flammable at a certain temperature (and halogen enlargers do get hot),
well, these can outgas under heat and time, and smudge up your dichroic filters. Yes, filters do get dirty, and color purity does get affected. I've discovered that a lot of this is due to conventional gasketing materials inside the housing. They don't use the best materials. Anything that outgasses under higher temp, or even by itself, is not ideal. And cleaning dichroic filters is a delicate operation.
 
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Just a suggestion, leave it out. Unless you are printing slides it isn't necessary. Potentially more valuable to you is that I used gel Super-Glue on my D5 Dichroic head about 20 years ago. The filters are still in place.
 
Thanks for the info everybody! Seems the 4 drops of glue may exceed my price point. I was going to resell it but now it wouldn't be worth it.

You're right Neal I don't need the cyan filter as a BW enlarger :smile: Just believe keeping things in working order is the way to go.
I'll see if my mechanic friends have any of the suggested products
 
I'm with Neal on this. If you find a good "super glue" it should hold. I look for Loctite/Henkel brands. Even though cyan isn't used, it's still nice to have everything in place. :smile:
 
Do not use super glue near high heat - it can out gas cyanide!

While I was on high reliability soldering course I was told about an incident where a technician used cyanoacrylate (super glue) to hold a wire in place while being soldered. He woke up days later in hospital having suffered cyanide poisoning.
 
Do not use super glue near high heat - it can out gas cyanide!

While I was on high reliability soldering course I was told about an incident where a technician used cyanoacrylate (super glue) to hold a wire in place while being soldered. He woke up days later in hospital having suffered cyanide poisoning.

Wow! For high heat adhesive, permatex ultra copper is good to 700 deg f/ 371 deg C
 
Another minus for super glue, heat softens it after its sets up so it may let go and leave a mess.
 
Try an epoxy resin adhesive like Araldite. It comes in two tubes that you mix it up before use. Takes between a few minutes and hours to set, and can take a mild heat. Try not to get it on your filter though.
 
Year ago I worked alongside a fellow who had previously worked as an optical engineer for NASA. They had gotten ahold of some of the first samples of Cyanoacrylate super glues. The trick was to ask a co-worker to feel how slippery the stuff in the little tube was, put some on their index finger, and then after they rubbed it between fingers, which of course got stuck together, tell them to visit the nurse to have a razor blade slipped between their fingers. Nowadays, cyanoacrylates are even sometimes used in lieu of stitches for putting flesh back together. But back then, it must have been a pretty ornery practical joke.
 
Geez guys,

Why don't you take a look at the post I linked to above? The info there is from the horse's mouth; a currently-employed tech at Omega, who recommends Pliobond. The last post in the thread details the entire procedure. Why spend so much time speculating about other alternatives when you have the factory solution at hand? I don't get it.

Doremus
 
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