Development times for NEW APX 100 and APX 400 in HC110

Anyone have starting point times for the new versions of APX100 and APX400 in HC110 or Ilford's equivalent?

On another Photo site I was informed that the NEW APX 100 and APX 400 films from Lupus are Kentmere from Hartman/Ilford.
The Massive Developing Chart DOES NOT have times for the new APX 100 and the time for the new APX 400 is out of sync with the film speed flow of the rest of the site for HC110.
There are times for Kentmere 100 and 400 speed films. The Kentmere 400 time is the same as the APX 400 time listed.

I had put a roll of APX 100 in each a Spotmatic and a Spotmatic SP1000 after cleaning the lens, a 50mm f2 and a 50mm f1.4 and installing new 392 silver oxide battery in each. I made exposures of the same scene/subject with each camera within minutes of each other both at metered settings and sunny 16 exposures. I processed both rolls this afternoon in HC110 dilution B at 68°F at the start time listed in the massive development chart for Kentmere 100. I have 2 near if not identical rolls of processed film hanging up and near dry. Scans to follow in a different post.

shutterfinger said:

On another Photo site I was informed that the NEW APX 100 and APX 400 films from Lupus are Kentmere from Hartman/Ilford..

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a large pinch of salt required with that.

Simon Galley was always very clear that Harman did NOT sell rebadged versions of their own emulsions. They may very well coat APX films for Lupus (but only Lupus and Harman will know for sure) but they will not be the Kentmere films.

Whether that will remain the case with the change of management ... we can only speculate (and I'm sure many will)

Developing times are not a reliable guide to similarity or dissimilarity.

I always take The Massive Developing Chart times with a grain of salt if I cannot confirm the times with the film manufacturer.
The poster on the other site, Photo.net, has a reputation for being close to perfect and I was only looking for a ballpark starting point.
I'm also well aware that statements that Brand X is Brand A rebadged are false. Manufacturer of brand A has refined the formula to give optimal results and know what variations can be used and give good results with the same or very close processing times. I finished batch scanning the 72 negatives from 2 cameras and they are ballpark correct and should be easy to print at paper black or scan well with a refined single frame scan. Some exposures were off as expected. Some samples will be posted in the next day or two as some resizing and rotation post processing needs to be done.