Developing film twice? & Interesting article on neo-noir and the technological origins of the look

[Helge]

https://cinea.be/pushing-low-key-limits-a-cinematographic-history-of-noir-and-neo-noir/

Apart from this being quite an interesting article, there was one mentioning of a technique, that I haven’t heard about before.

and the technique of enriching final prints with extra blacks and silver by running them through the developer a second time (eg. Top Gun – Tony Scott, 1986), color negative’s expressive possibilities had finally caught up with black and white film stocks of the 1940s.

Anyone know more about this?
Sounds a bit like predevelopment in Rodinal. And perhaps even som extended version of bleach bypass.
Trouble is Top Gun does not look like that at all.

Developing twice, even with some kind of fixing stage or stop, would AFAICS only result in a what amounts to a push.

 

[Donald Qualls]

The only way I can see this increasing dye density would be to bleach bypass on the first pass, then after fixing, bleach, redevelop, bleach again, and fix. Far easier to just expose a stop or so more...

 

[Lachlan Young]

https://cinea.be/pushing-low-key-limits-a-cinematographic-history-of-noir-and-neo-noir/

Apart from this being quite an interesting article, there was one mentioning of a technique, that I haven’t heard about before.



Anyone know more about this?
Sounds a bit like predevelopment in Rodinal. And perhaps even som extended version of bleach bypass.
Trouble is Top Gun does not look like that at all.

Developing twice, even with some kind of fixing stage or stop, would AFAICS only result in a what amounts to a push.

It sounds a lot like critical information being lost in some sort of translation - you can run colour print (as is likely the case with cinema - bleach bypass is/ was usually done on the print in cinema) or camera neg through multiple dev/ bleach cycles which will increase the amount of couplers formed - Ron Mowrey wrote about it on here as a technique used in R&D.

 

[Ian Grant]

This was a technique used by astronomers they called it looping.

Ian

 

[Helge]

It sounds a lot like critical information being lost in some sort of translation - you can run colour print (as is likely the case with cinema - bleach bypass is/ was usually done on the print in cinema) or camera neg through multiple dev/ bleach cycles which will increase the amount of couplers formed - Ron Mowrey wrote about it on here as a technique used in R&D.

This was a technique used by astronomers they called it looping.

Ian

This is what I came up with after a simple search.
Will report back later if I find something else.
PE talks about some other posts I haven’t (as usual :’-S) been able to dig up.

Using Rodinal to Push Portra 400

Looping - Intensification

Very, very interesting stuff!
Not something you’d get your lab to do though.