@Donald Qualls I instantly seasoned my Xtol by developing a bunch of old film in it (burned a few rolls). You can use "Reusing Developer" table from the Xtol datasheet to determine how much you need. (map the reused developer to replenished developer activity which is also mentioned in a few places in the datasheet) The math is fairly simple.
Ingredients are sodium chloride and potassium bromide. Usage is 6 mL/L.
Is that just what shows on the MSDS? There can be lots of stuff in there that's too low concentration be required for listing there. Even in that case, without knowing the concentrations it's just guesswork -- which means I'm better off just reusing stock solution for six rolls per liter before I start to replenish.
When I printed Cibachrome I would dilute unused developer 50:50 with used developer.
You know, @mshchem, I think it would get me closer even just to know the total salinity of that starter -- either via refractometer or specific gravity. Wouldn't tell me what the proportions are (though knowing both might give a range, since I believe refractive index is by mole while specific gravity is by molecular weight), but it would give a starting point.
You know, @mshchem, I think it would get me closer even just to know the total salinity of that starter -- either via refractometer or specific gravity. Wouldn't tell me what the proportions are (though knowing both might give a range, since I believe refractive index is by mole while specific gravity is by molecular weight), but it would give a starting point.
@Mr Bill This is essentially what we're trying to do, without involving a $100,000 (or more) spectrometer to directly measure the concentrations of the four relevant ions. It might well be "close enough" to make up a mixture of NaCl and KBr, 50/50 by mole, in solution at 1.19 g/cc, and put 6 ml of that in a liter of developer, and if we don't get any better information I'll do that (I've got KBr as well as KI on hand, but KI doesn't have a known history as a restrainer, so likely isn't relevant in this situation).
Hi, my experience is primarily in color processes, where C-41 color neg process uses CD-4 developing agent. This IS strongly restrained by byproducts of film development. These were primarily bromide ion and a very small amount of iodide. I know this as a result of chemical analysis of a lot of samples.
(Background: I was the QC manager for a number of years in a large processing lab. My department had a decently equipped on-site chem lab in support of this. Also including a Perkin Elmer (yay!) AA unit with a silver tube. We used it pretty exclusively for silver analysis, including work for the company's one-hour lab division. Up until about the same time frame as mschem. We used to run bromide and iodide analysis with potentiometric titration using silver bar electrode vs double-junction reference. A pH meter showing mv readings is used; an automatic titrator takes a lot of the pain out of it.)
Anyway, I'm trying to save you some effort. I have no idea why the chloride is in the starter. But once a replenished system is running for a while this becomes irrelevant - only the film (and aerial oxidation/evaporation) come into play. So... you'll have a fair amount of bromide ion released and possibly a tiny amount of iodide ion. (If you think you know a film that uses silver chloride I'd be interested in knowing what it is.)
As I said before my primary experience is with color - I have no idea how sensitive Xtol is to the byproducts. (I'm guessing that it's fairly slight, mainly because it can be self-replenished.)
Anyway... I would suggest just doing a couple of test runs with a bit of KBr added. Provided that you have a way to evaluate development. I expect this is probably the quickest way to get close to where you wanna be.
To be frugal you could probably use a small amount, say 50 ml or so, of developer, then hand-process a small piece of film in the dark. Disposable forceps are a good way to hold the film, or possibly a small alligator clip, etc
Best of luck with it.
I don't have any concrete data in this specific case, but I think it ought to be fairly easy for the right person to come up with an approximate method to "season" fresh Xtol developer.
Of course it would be nice to have the right equipment to reverse engineer an existing starter solution. But it ought to possible to find something workable on a semi-shoestring budget. Rather than try to duplicate an existing starter I'd suggest to consider what happens during seasoning with film. Essentially the developed film is releasing some byproducts into the developer. Most significant are probably bromide ion, and for the more modern films very small amounts of iodide ion. So if someone has a bit of KBr, a decent scale, and a way to evaluate development, it ought to be possible to do a bit of trial and error testing.
I do not worry about it. When the replenished XTOL expires, usually from non use, I mix a new batch and start replenishing from roll number 1 and after roll 5 I consider it replenished. I use the same development times from the first roll on.
I just use a straight line approximation of the variance in development times between the stock times and, six rolls later, the replenished times.
And then I season to taste.
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