Delta 400-Wow!

Roger Cole · Aug 22, 2015

Yes, if you bulk load Kodak is insane. In fact it's cheaper to buy pre-loaded Kodak than to bulk load it. I long ago gave up bulk loading as more trouble than it's worth anyway, but of course YMMV.

Richard S. (rich815) · Aug 22, 2015

Roger Cole said:
Worst?

Um, no. XP was great and I still run it on an old laptop. Worst was Win ME. Oh, and Vista, that was the worst too.

I agree. I loved XP, and still run it on an old laptop as well. ME was crap as was Vista. Win7 much better. And I got back to Win 3.1 days. I'm mostly MAC though now.

Roger Cole · Aug 22, 2015

I go back to DOS pre-Windows and to Commodore 64 and, in college to TECO on VAX.

Gah, now I feel old.

Xmas · Aug 22, 2015

PDP8 and assembler - whippersnapper.

MattKing · Aug 22, 2015

ALGOL W and punch cards on an IBM 360 - pfft!

Roger Cole · Aug 22, 2015

[video=youtube;Xe1a1wHxTyo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo[/video]

StephenT · Aug 23, 2015

MattKing, ALGOL and punched cards on a Univac, long before the modern 360.

Old-N-Feeble · Aug 23, 2015

Slide ruler... no, wait... abacus... no, wait... pebbles in jars... no, wait... we didn't have jars.

ColColt · Aug 23, 2015

Vista has been a superb OS. It's what I use most all the time. I have Windows 7 computer upstairs but Vista is my staple. It's been good these past seven years.

Back to the topic. The jury's still out on 400 speed films. Long ago Tri-X was the hands down winner with Agfapan 400 a close second. Both have either changed or no longer available so, the story's still out on the others.

RobC · Aug 23, 2015

StephenT said:
MattKing, ALGOL and punched cards on a Univac, long before the modern 360.

You were lucky, I used punched tape before cards. And I worked on a Univac with the Vortex operating system. It drove us clean round the bend.

Xmas · Aug 23, 2015

Ooch I can still recall the burns and cuts from paper tape.

Gerald C Koch · Aug 23, 2015

Xmas said:
PDP8 and assembler - whippersnapper.

Thanks Roger for the MP clip. The good ole days!

Worked with an IBM 1250. Does anyone remember drum memory?

I liked Algol and took a course where we wrote an Algol compiler.

Having to write IBM assembler code certainly separated the boys from the men. Jokes about fictional commands like BH, branch and hang and XPI, execute programmer immediately. Programming courses were taught by the Mathematics Department. There were no Computer Departments then.

My favorite character on Dilbert is Bob the dinosaur the Fortran expert. I actually had a job about a decade ago debugging old Fortran code written by mechanical engineers.

RobC · Aug 23, 2015

Just waiting for someone to say they coded in machine code...

ColColt · Aug 23, 2015

I guess we've run out of things to say about Delta 400. The last seven posts have left me scratching my head as to what was going on.

RobC · Aug 23, 2015

ColColt said:
I guess we've run out of things to say about Delta 400. The last seven posts have left me scratching my head as to what was going on.

You've been hijacked by a bunch of old geeks.

Yes its very nice film. Now try Delta 100 and report back.

ColColt · Aug 23, 2015

You've been hijacked by a bunch of old geeks.

That didn't matter. I couldn't follow what the hell you all were talking about. I'm old too but no geek.

RobC · Aug 23, 2015

Gerald C Koch said:
Thanks Roger for the MP clip. The good ole days!

Worked with an IBM 1250. Does anyone remember drum memory?

I liked Algol and took a course where we wrote an Algol compiler.

Having to write IBM assembler code certainly separated the boys from the men. Jokes about fictional commands like BH, branch and hang and XPI, execute programmer immediately. Programming courses were taught by the Mathematics Department. There were no Computer Departments then.

My favorite character on Dilbert is Bob the dinosaur the Fortran expert. I actually had a job about a decade ago debugging old Fortran code written by mechanical engineers.

I worked (I use the term loosely as it was more hands on training) in the computer labs at Rutherford Appleton labs back in the 70's. I couldn't tell you what all of it was now but there was a humongous IBM 360 which filled a massive machine room.
The ICL engineer kept a bottle of whiskey in the line printer and was seen trying to fix it with a hammer. Those were the days...
There was a huge buzz when the Cray was delivered for the Met office to use. You could almost put your arms around it it was so small, LOL. It probably had less processing power than your average desktop these days.

albada · Aug 23, 2015

RobC said:
Just waiting for someone to say they coded in machine code...

I've done it. On a Compucorp machine, which was actually a programmable calculator.
That was in 1971, about the same time I took a photography class, and loved the darkroom work.
So much so that I built my own darkroom.

I still program for a living, and most of my code is entered and edited with...
are you ready for this?...
vi !
(okay, vim, if you want to be persnickety)

Mark Overton

Gerald C Koch · Aug 23, 2015

albada said:
I've done it. On a Compucorp machine, which was actually a programmable calculator.
That was in 1971, about the same time I took a photography class, and loved the darkroom work.
So much so that I built my own darkroom.

I still program for a living, and most of my code is entered and edited with...
are you ready for this?...
vi !
(okay, vim, if you want to be persnickety)

Mark Overton

Oh horrors the vi(le) editor. The only bad Unix utility. I disliked it so much that I would bring the source code for Emacs with me to new jobs. The only editor I thought worse was ED on Perkin-Elmer computers. Catchy name ED. The hack who wrote the code never considered that someone might want to add characters to the beginning of an existing file. There was just no direct way to do this.

rbultman · Aug 23, 2015

albada said:
vi !
(okay, vim, if you want to be persnickety)

Mark Overton

+100

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rbultman · Aug 23, 2015

Gerald C Koch said:
Emacs

-100

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rbultman · Aug 23, 2015

RobC said:
Just waiting for someone to say they coded in machine code...

On a Fox Z80 trainer in college circa 1985. The interface was a hex pad and a number of 7-segment displays.

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MartinCrabtree · Aug 23, 2015

I can write G code with pencil and paper. Nice for when you've got a couple weeks to torture yourself.

Xmas · Aug 23, 2015

Machine code was so new fangled I wrote my first useful program on the handswitches of an Elliott 905...
But it was only used for three months until they fixed the hardware bug in part of the aircraft landing system at Heathrow. It was not safety critical merely pilot touch down approach performance monitoring.

Gerald C Koch · Aug 24, 2015

MartinCrabtree said:
I can write G code with pencil and paper. Nice for when you've got a couple weeks to torture yourself.

Does any one remember IBM Fortran coding pads. Punch machines were in constant use and one had to do their coding first and then transfer this to cards.

Fortran still exists. The language is being constantly upgraded. There is now an OO (object orientated) version available. Same for COBOL.

The original design of the ADA language for a simple easily coded language. The original language contained fewer key words than C. Then the US government got ahold if it. Specifically the three branches of the military. Each of which insisted on the inclusion of their favorite "features." The result was a bloated monstrosity that only the government could love. Commercial firms avoided it if they possible could. Even NASA avoided it preferring C for their programs.

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