Delta 3200 in daylight

ericdan · Feb 20, 2015

I really like Ilford Delta3200's grain and would love to shoot it during the day.
Does anybody here have experience shooting this film at a lower ISO or with ND filters in daylight?

RobC · Feb 20, 2015

what Ei do you use and what do you develop it with and why do you need an ND filter?

Developing in ID11 you'll get a speed of around 1000. With DDX around 1600 and with stock Microphen 3200.

ericdan · Feb 20, 2015

I like developing it in Microphen and I need an ND filter to bring the shutter speed to something my camera can handle.

RobC · Feb 20, 2015

With ID11 or DDX you'get noticably less grain. It'll still be grainy but not as much as with Microphen. So if you want to keep golf ball size grain then an ND filter may be the better option.

MattKrull · Feb 20, 2015

I've shot Delta 3200 in day light, but I didn't use NDs, just tiny apertures and fast shutter speeds. I didn't think it was an experiment worth repeating.

Edit: Removed stuff as it has been answered that you want to stick to microphen
What about simply reducing your dev times?

BTW - I really love the monochrome shots on your webpage.

ericdan · Feb 20, 2015

Thanks Matt,
I develop B&W myself. I really like Delta3200 in Microphen. The image of the storm in over Tokyo was Delta3200 @1600 in Microphen developed for 3200.
1600ISO is manageable but I wanna do more than just shoot f/16 at 1/1000th of a second.

tkamiya · Feb 20, 2015

I've done it few times. I used EI 1600, then used whatever shutter speed F100 picked. I recall the shutter speed was really fast but I was able to use lower f stop than 16. I could have used ND filter but didn't have it handy.

What is your concern??

DREW WILEY · Feb 20, 2015

I happen to develop it in PMK pyro, and for that routinely rate it at 800. Then I've frequently use a red filter, and that slows it down three more stops. So it's a nice fun film for rainy day walks with a Nikon tucked under my jacket, when I also like using a 85/1.4 almost wide open for selective depth of field. But in bright sun, it's still too fast for me at wide apertures, so my strategy changes to full depth of field. ... But not often, because, unless it is raining like heck, I'm prone to use a much bigger camera. So Delta 3200 is my alter-ego go-to film. When I want a break from making big immaculately detailed prints, and want something small and poetic, this film and developer combination comes out wonderfully. Once in awhile I'll also shoot it in my 6x7 under analogous circumstances.

Truzi · Feb 20, 2015

I've not tried it at a low ISO in bright daylight. I have exposed some at 1600 in bright daylight, developed for 3200 in d76, and it was fine. It will probably be fine with ND filter for a lower EI.

Dr Croubie · Feb 20, 2015

I went to Canberra last year for some poetry gigs, where I often use my Mamiya 645 with D3200 at 1/30s f/1.9-2.8, ei of somewhere between 3200 and 6400.
I didn't finish the roll at night, then went out sightseeing the next day. I only had 2 film backs, and one had Ektar in, and I wanted some B+W shots, so I used the D3200.
I had a CPL, and an orange 4x filter, and I was still up around 1/4000s at f/11 or something.
Developed in Microphen to whatever times they say for ei6400.

Even shrinking down a full 645 frame to 1200 pixels wide, you can still see the grain...

polyglot · Feb 20, 2015

You want to shoot in full sun? A red 25A filter seems a reasonable solution, that'll bring the native ISO1000 down to 125, which seems fairly slow unless you want stupid-shallow DOF. Stack on a CPL and you're down to ISO32, so you could shoot f/2 1/2000 or similar.

If you want golfball grain and shallow DOF in full sun, consider also Fomapan 400 which has a speed of no more than 200 in Rodinal.

ambaker · Feb 20, 2015

I've not shot your film, but ND filters work great for getting your aperture where you want it, in bright light. Also good for those all too common blurry waterfall shots.

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BetterSense · Feb 20, 2015

DREW WILEY said:
Once in awhile I'll also shoot it in my 6x7 under analogous circumstances.

I see what you did there.

RobC · Feb 21, 2015

Greg Davis said:
Ilford's tech sheet states the ISO in daylight is 1000, so you may try shooting at that and see what you get.

Just so you know.

Ilford use ID11 for all their ISO speed tests and yes 1000 is the ISO speed they publish. BUT, and its a big BUT, Delta 3200 is designed to be used at an EI Speed of 3200 and not an ISO speed of 1000. To obtain an EI of 3200 which gives a normal contrast negative, Microphen Stock is the developer to use.
If you want finer gran then use DDX at 1600 speed and if you really want only 1000 speed then use ID11 but you may as well just push Delta 400 a stop and use DDX unless you particularly like the D3200 grain.

E. von Hoegh · Feb 21, 2015

polyglot said:
You want to shoot in full sun? A red 25A filter seems a reasonable solution, that'll bring the native ISO1000 down to 125, which seems fairly slow unless you want stupid-shallow DOF. Stack on a CPL and you're down to ISO32, so you could shoot f/2 1/2000 or similar.

If you want golfball grain and shallow DOF in full sun, consider also Fomapan 400 which has a speed of no more than 200 in Rodinal.

I did the same when I was using a lot of T-Max 3200, also a dense green filter which gives a weird look to foliage and such.

mauro35 · Feb 21, 2015

I have tried Delta 3200 in daylight. I developed in D76 and exposed at EI640 or 800. This is my personal opinion, but I would not use it in daylight, based on my results. The developing times become too short if you lower the EI and that gives very flat negatives and horrible tonal rendition with this type of film. I have tried also in daylight at EI3200 with very small apertures. The tones are better, but the grain simply enormous.

IloveTLRs · Feb 22, 2015

For about 2-3 months now I've had my Rollei 35 with me, Rollei yellow filter, Delta 3200 pulled to 1600, developed in ID-11.
I quite like the results, but I find the combination better suited to nighttime/evenings/poor weather.

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