dektol + glycin ?

[removed account4]

has anyone experimented with adding glycin to dektol and making ansco 125 ( or something similar ) ??
any idea how much one would add to a little less than 1 gallon ?

i have some glycin i was going to use to make mortenson's glycin varient, but i also have
a bag of dektol i opened and took a few oz out of ... and i wanted to mix before it oxidized ...

any suggestions would be appreciated !
john

 

[jim appleyard]

There's a combo I never thought of!

 

[removed account4]

thanks michael

i ran out of a 130
not sure if i will ponyup the extra bucks to buy some more
so i just mixed up a old pouch of dektol ...
i can't find the glycin so i guess its naked d72

 

[removed account4]

Frankly, with most current papers I doubt there are huge differences between Dektol and Ansco 130. Ansco 130 may or may not produce slightly warmer tones with some papers, but you could also try just adding extra bromide to Dektol and see if that does it. You'll have to experiment for yourself. Generally speaking I'd say unless you were using glycin in a more traditional way, it's probably more of a hassle than anything else if you're just adding it to a MQ/PQ developer. The dry chemical doesn't keep well, and as far as I know only Formulary makes it. You won't get 130's reputed month-long open tray life with Dektol, but who cares.

yeah, i know ... it won't be the same, just a warm and fuzzy memory of days gone by ...
there isn't much of a difference at all between the 2. i believe it was david brown or was it clay (the turnip)
who did a side by side print test and there was very little if any difference. the only reason i was locked into it for so long
was because, well it lasted a year in the stock solution. i used to buy 7 gallons a year then 6 then 5 gallons ... and use it up
before it changed tone at all seeing i was using it for both film and prints. since i use the coffee my consumption has dropped down
.. but seeing i had a pouch of dektol lying around for the better part of 8 years, i figured i'd use it up ...
and since i can process film in it as well, maybe i will just buy dektol ill have to change what i call the coffee from sum130 to sumD..

 

[pdeeh]

well you can hardly call it decaffenol can you?

 

[DREW WILEY]

No harm in trying, but from experience, I'd call it a waste of time. Too much HQ in Dektol, so you'll lose the subtlety of 130. The exact effect of glycin is determined by its degree of oxidation or aging in any event.

 

[removed account4]

well you can hardly call it decaffenol can you?

heheh i LOVE that .. deserves this

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[pdeeh]

Hehe

 

[NedL]

Michael,

I'm curious; if 130 is similar to dektol with some glycin and KBr added, what is it that accounts for the long tray life of 130? Is there something about glycin or KBr that keeps the metol from deteriorating?

 

[removed account4]

Michael,

I'm curious; if 130 is similar to dektol with some glycin and KBr added, what is it that accounts for the long tray life of 130? Is there something about glycin or KBr that keeps the metol from deteriorating?

i'm not michael, nor do i play him on TV
but i think i know the answer to your question ned: its MAGIC !

 

[NedL]

That's what I thought, just checking. Put the paper in some liquid, the image appears on it, it really IS magic. Even with all the chemistry and science, it's magical that it is possible at all..

 

[NedL]

Thanks! I didn't realize 130 had metol in it at all before reading this thread, assumed it didn't because of the reputation.

 

[removed account4]

against my better judgement
i took a jar ( light proof ) and dumped some
dektol powder in it ( 1L )
and then the recipe for d72 and i added the same amount
of glycin as hydroquinone
its all mixed up and shaken and mixed the best i can do
and i did the calculation that i need to scoop out something like 41g / 500cc
of whatever this mysterious powder is.
i will be processing film with it and prints and i will also be using
this to make reversal tintype developer ( silver gelatin )
check my gallery uploads, i probably won't remember to upload to this thread

 

[Patrick Robert James]

Just some observations through experience. Glycin has more effect on tones when used in a film developer. Film developers with Glycin seem to have a slight increase in density with the mid high values. I call it the "Glycin bump" myself. Edwal 10 and 12 exhibit this. With prints Glycin tends to depress the low mids. In prints it doesn't show as much, but could be why people like the "shadow separation" of 130 since the lower mid tones are printing a touch deeper. If you use old Glycin with prints it can stain the paper a little which can be pleasant in my opinion. It is more subtle than toning but lends a slight warming subtle pinkish tone.

Anyway, that is what I think about Glycin.

Hope that helps someone.