Dating 127 Verichrome Pan

[pentaxuser]

Can anyone of you experienced Kodak shooters help me with any range of dates on the above The backing paper is yellow with black writing which simply says PAN, Kodak film and 127 exposed. The "exposed" sticky says Verichrome in block capitals in red on a white strip and above and below this in the sticky is a red strip with white block capitals saying exposed on the top and Kodak film on the bottom

The spool is black and metal with two silver spokes protruding about 3mm at each end, each having a single cut at the end

 

[cmacd123]

the spool would have been what the PREVIOUS roll of film used in the camera came on.

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks cmacd123. I included the description of the spool in the hope that while it was the receiving spool it may have been identical to that which was used for new film.

OK I did a Google search, frankly not expecting to find anything but as luck would have it there was a source that was "Popular Photography" from 1988 that had a quote from the then editor who in response to a reader 's question stated that Kodak discontinued the 127 version of Verichrome Pan in October 1984

So to move it forward and assuming the editor of that magazine was quoting Kodak correctly, the next question is: Is there any way from my description to narrow it down to a date prior to October 1984?

pentaxuser

 

[reddesert]

Pictures are critical (although I myself won't be able to narrow it down), but another clue is in the Kodak logo style. See https://www.designhill.com/design-blog/history-of-evolution-of-the-kodak-logo/ You can also google search images for "kodak verichrome film box" and compare the style of printing between box and wrapper, since boxes are sometimes dated.

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks, reddesert, but there was no box, just the spool and backing paper which I described in, I think, as much detail as would have been the case with a picture of that spool and backing paper.

There may in fact be no way to narrow down any range of dates from the backing paper but I am surprised that given what I thought would be the knowledge of "things Kodak" here on Photrio, that there hasn't been more response.

However not the most exciting thread, I do admit

pentaxuser

 

[reddesert]

My point was that the typeface of the lettering and Kodak logo on the paper has information. You can compare that information to the history of Kodak logos and to the typeface on boxes. You know the saying a picture is worth a thousand words, a picture of the backing paper is much more informative than a verbal description.

 

[pentaxuser]

OK and thanks. I had another look at the typeface of the word Kodak and from your link the typeface I have did not appear until 1987 but the quote from the Editor of the Popular Photography magazine which I mention, says that Kodak ceased production of the 127 Verichrome Pan film in 1984 - some 3 years before this typeface was used.

So if your link's author has got his dates correct then the Popular Photography's editor has got his facts wrong or vice versa. I suppose that either may be wrong.

When these things are googled there is usually a plethora of pics of boxes and backing paper and this case is no different but what struck me is that on the previous occasion I had experience of V Pan backing paper in 120, it was that a red colour and not the yellow of this backing paper which has no red on it at all.

The one member who might just have had the memory and hands-on experience to date this stuff, namely PE, is sadly no longer with us

pentaxuser

 

[cmacd123]

Pictures can still help. For example, Kodak produced film in many countries, and often the Logo and other printing were slightly different.

the other way - since it is exposed - might be to develop the film and see if their are any other markings on the paper, or on any edge printing.

 

[MattKing]

laser (Bob Shanebrook) would be a great person to ask - the author of “Making Kodak Film”.
By the way, the answer may vary with geography. Kodak Limited in the UK may very well have used different backing paper on a different film confectioning line. Kodak fillm wasn’t made just in Rochester you know.