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peter k. · Jan 17, 2020

Took a shot that was suppose to be at f16, for 8 seconds, but did not shut down the lens, from wide open, after focusing on the ground glass on a min speed 2x3.
Sooooooo lets have some new fun, rather than throwing the neg away, any suggestions on developing in XTOL, Hc110 or D-76?
Most likely would think it would be a stand development, which we have never done before.
Any suggestions..
thanks p.

Andrew O'Neill · Jan 17, 2020

If you do stand, which developer will you use? If it were me, I'd use Pyrocat-HD and do divided development.

Andrew O'Neill · Jan 17, 2020

If you don't use Pyrocat-HD, then I would go with a dilute HC-110. Which film and EI?

removed account4 · Jan 17, 2020

have some coffee lying around ?
stand develop it in teaspoon measured caffenol made with instant coffee washing soda and vit c
make 1L worth and add 15cc of whatever print developer you have on hand.
stand develop for about 30 mins. you don'tneed to stand develop it if you don't want
just develop it normally ( tray shuffle ) for IDK 7-8 mins. water rinse first.
caffenol is a forgiving developer that doesn'tmind over exposed film,
good luck !

mshchem · Jan 17, 2020

XTOL, develop normally for a 1 stop pull. If it's TMAX film it will be fine.

peter k. · Jan 17, 2020

jnantz said:
have some coffee lying around ?

Yep, but not instant... made from de bean..

Andrew O'Neill said:
go with a dilute HC-110. Which film and EI?

Tmax 400 @ 400 .. Ok, what dilution? And regular development or stand?

mshchem said:
XTOL, develop normally for a 1 stop pull. If it's TMAX film it will be fine.

One stop pull as in N-1 for about three minutes less, or?

mshchem · Jan 17, 2020

peter k. said:
Yep, but not instant... made from de bean..

Tmax 400 @ 400 .. Ok, what dilution? And regular development or stand?

One stop pull as in N-1 for about three minutes less, or?

C41 is a short development time. You can dilute the XTOL, just make sure there's at least 100 mL per 80 sq inches. You didn't burn this that bad. Disposable cameras, the film goes from a couple stops under to 4 stops over still gives acceptable prints.

mshchem · Jan 17, 2020

I wouldn't get to worked up over this. Just develop it in what you have and pull it back a stop.

peter k. · Jan 17, 2020

mshchem said:
I wouldn't get to worked up over this. Just develop it in what you have and pull it back a stop.

Nah not getting worked up, just having fun, no big deal but haven't done allot of pull developing, so need some clarity.
By pulling it a stop you mean of course less development. This is where we get confused, that would be an N-1 development, at about 3 minutes less?

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peter k. said:
Yep, but not instant... made from de bean..

brew it double strength and use that, i use whole bean coffee for my caffenolling

mshchem · Jan 17, 2020

peter k. said:
Nah not getting worked up, just having fun, no big deal but haven't done allot of pull developing, so need some clarity.
By pulling it a stop you mean of course less development. This is where we get confused, that would be an N-1 development, at about 3 minutes less?

If you are using Kodak developer here's the link to the current developer line up datasheets.
https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/photographers-photo-printing/resources/chem-tech-info
I would just reduce the normal development by 15% or so. Stock XTOL is something like 6 1/2 minutes at 68F/20C, in a small tank. I would develop for a minute less, 5 1/2 minutes in straight XTOL, invert the tank 3-4 times every 30 to 60 seconds. Both the film and the developer are very forgiving as long as you don't over dilute the developer.

peter k. · Jan 17, 2020

Thanks Got it,.
Push and pull is new to me, never really got into it before, but with Tmax, it seems to have its advantages.
We have been using Xtol 1:1 to develop for 12.25 min @68* according to the other Kodak data sheet (see below) for small tank, and found, experimenting, that when we need to do a push or pull, 3 minutes, seems to work well for the dilution of 1:1.So maybe what will do, is try it for 2 minutes less @ 10.25 minutes on this one.
Ya got to understand this is a new film for me, and where also learning a new developer .. AKA .. Xtol.

With Arista edu ultra 400 aka foma, which was our main B&W film before, .. we never really saw a need to get into push and pull processing.

But this dang Tmax is incredible, and very pleased with the results and its versatility. In the learning curve we been going through, exposure timings ect, we have found at times a need to do push and pull. The film of course is more expensive, but we have done most of our testing, .. by cutting down to MF size, and using a baby 2x3. That way, we have gotten two sheets out of one 4x5.
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https://www.freestylephoto.biz/pdf/product_pdfs/kodak/Kodak_Tmax400.pdf

mshchem · Jan 18, 2020

peter k. said:
Thanks Got it,.
Push and pull is new to me, never really got into it before, but with Tmax, it seems to have its advantages.
We have been using Xtol 1:1 to develop for 12.25 min @68* according to the other Kodak data sheet (see below) for small tank, and found, experimenting, that when we need to do a push or pull, 3 minutes, seems to work well for the dilution of 1:1.So maybe what will do, is try it for 2 minutes less @ 10.25 minutes on this one.
Ya got to understand this is a new film for me, and where also learning a new developer .. AKA .. Xtol.

With Arista edu ultra 400 aka foma, which was our main B&W film before, .. we never really saw a need to get into push and pull processing.

But this dang Tmax is incredible, and very pleased with the results and its versatility. In the learning curve we been going through, exposure timings ect, we have found at times a need to do push and pull. The film of course is more expensive, but we have done most of our testing, .. by cutting down to MF size, and using a baby 2x3. That way, we have gotten two sheets out of one 4x5.
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https://www.freestylephoto.biz/pdf/product_pdfs/kodak/Kodak_Tmax400.pdf

Try to find a roll film (6×9) back for your lovely camera. TMAX films are truly amazing, and so is XTOL. I've used XTOL 1:1 for over 20 years. When I use my Jobo machine I use a oversized tank to make sure there is adequate active developer. Straight XTOL works great too and makes for easy replenishment. I use 1 shot, easy.
I think you have thought this out well, good luck, have fun!

peter k. · Jan 18, 2020

mshchem said:
Try to find a roll film (6×9) back for your lovely camera

Got one ... whats nice is they also fit on the RB67. But for testing new film and developer, doing it one shot at a time, Usually take two shots of same subject with same exposure, so if we messed up we can try a different development routine, thus the push pull scenario.
And yes Xtol is also totally amazing. With the Arista, found it worked better with D-76 rather than Hc110 which blew out the highlights time after time. Eventually we will try Tmax with D-76 and Hc110, but the Xtol seems to work so well, plus got a free replacement from Kodak with the issue it had with some of the packages. But like you, my first ever bag, seemed to work fine, even though we had nothing to compare it. .

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